Derryen Plante had a plan for her life. She was in graduate school and working at a juvenile prison, all in the service of her lifelong dream to become a special investigator–but one night at work, an inmate attacked Derryen and the assault left her with a traumatic brain injury that jeopardized her dream. In her new book, Youve Got Some Nerve, Derryen delivers a raw honest account of what her life looked like before the assault and how it was changed forever on her road to recovery.

In our conversation, Derryen shared incredible lessons from living with an invisible injury and learning to love and care for herself more fully than ever before.

Emily Gindlesparger: Today Im sitting down with Derryen Plante, author of Youve Got Some Nerve: The Battle Back from an Invisible Injury, and Derryen, Im so excited to talk to you about this story that youve written and the impact that you know it will have on your readers.

Derryen Plante: Thank you so much, I am so excited to be here and have the opportunity to talk to you, in addition to readers who might have either gone through something similar or have somebody in their life that has gone through something similar. There are a lot of different themes in my story that I think a lot of people will be able to relate to in one way or another.

Emily Gindlesparger: And the story is an incredible one. You write about your childhood dream of becoming a special investigator for a federal government agency, and then you have this really pivotal moment in mid-life where that dream gets snatched away from you when youre attacked by an inmate at a prison where you worked, and you sustained a traumatic brain injury. Give me a little bit of a snapshot of what your life looked like before that event?

Derryen Plante: Before that event, my life was very goal-oriented.  For me, looking back and thinking about myself and my place in the world, I was not naturally a happy person. I just had to get here, I had to accomplish this, I had to do this, and I just had to get there, and then I would be happy–that was what my entire life had revolved around was just getting to this one point and once I got there, I would be happy. But I wasnt generally happy in the meantime.

For example, if I had a summer off between college, it was not fun relaxing, go out, hang with your friends summer. I would have two part-time jobs and I would also have two internships–it was always making the most of my time and driving and trying to get to this one goal that I had in my life. So, I had gotten a lot done and I had a lot to be proud of, but it was never enough. So, at the time of the assault, I was working probably 70 or 80 hours a week, incredible overtime.

I was trying to do everything I could to put myself through school and get where I was convinced I wanted and had to be.

Drive to Accomplish

Emily Gindlesparger: Wow, and how did the assault and the aftermath change your goals and specifically this drive that you had toward them?

Derryen Plante: It was a change that definitely didnt occur overnight. Right after it happened, I went into our staff room and I heated up my dinner and I told my supervisor Im fine, I dont need to go anywhere, Im not going to let these inmates see me leave and show that weakness. Id fully planned on being in there the next day. I ended up with a separated shoulder as another injury so I was in a sling and that prevented me from going back to work because of their policies.

But I had fully planned on going back. And Ill also say this, before my injury, I had very little respect for brain injuries. In high school, we would always take the test to see if you had a concussion–you would take the test before as a baseline so that if you got a concussion they could use it as a metric to try and assess if you were healing and that kind of thing. I never saw the value in it, I didnt take it seriously, I had no idea what the impact of a brain injury could have.

So, right after the assault, the days after were just incredibly painful with the migraines and all of the other aftereffects of the assault. But I was still really convinced that I was going to go back to work and just pick up right where I left off. Time went by and more time went by, days, to weeks, to months, and they still wouldnt let me come back until I was 100% and I was not.

I just got more and more discouraged. I tried to find other jobs in law enforcement type areas that might be more desk related, just so that I could get back to working a job, to put me back on the path. I tried for several months and I ended up finding the job that I have now working in revenue, and even still, I was just wishing and holding on to that dream, I was just grasping on to it, I had my claws in it and I was just not ready to give it up.

As my injury continued to progress over the next year and a half, my symptoms got more severe and I ended up going through different things–the pain and the hopelessness led to suicidal thoughts and I completely lost my will to live at some points when my injury was just at its worse. Once I hit that point–once those things were in my medical file, even though a lot of it is related to the brain injury itself, its reactive depression and it can all be tied to this brain injury. But having it in my medical file, for me, felt like that was pretty much the nail in my coffin of not being able to pursue those types of careers.

I have gone through the application process a few times and theyre very critical with physical and mental health. So, it took me a long time to accept that it likely wouldnt be an option, I could continue trying but it probably wouldnt work out in my favor. Once I let that reality just sink in a little bit, it became a loss that I had to grieve, which was an entirely separate process. I think I knew the whole time that would be the outcome, but I didnt want it to be, I fought and I tried to hold on to it and it didnt work out that way, unfortunately.

Emily Gindlesparger: Yeah, lets take a step back for just a moment. You described how the symptoms or the trajectory of your brain injury wasnt immediately apparent when it happened, can you tell us a little bit about the timeline of how your brain injury progressed?

Derryen Plante: The day after the assault, I was in agonizing pain, there was so much pressure in my head, I could barely open my eyes, all I wanted to do was sleep. Lights, sounds, everything that they tell you about concussion or traumatic brain injury, I was feeling it but when I went and was checked out, they told me that I had a severe concussion, and the symptoms would likely last for two weeks and then youll be fine. But in the meantime, stay in a dark room, dont watch TV, use a computer, and dont drive, and hopefully, in two weeks, youll feel better. At the end of two weeks, I didnt feel better. I would go in periodically to check in with my doctor and I would continue to tell her that I didnt have any improvement in my symptoms.

As more time went on, the label was given to me that I had post-concussion syndrome. The thing about post-concussion syndrome is there is no prognosis. They say it can last weeks, months, or years and theres really nothing you can do to alleviate the symptoms besides Tylenol or Advil. There really isnt anything you can do to be proactive in your healing process. You essentially just have to wait for it to go away on its own, which is incredibly frustrating. If you have any other type of physical injury, youre usually given a physical therapy program, twelve weeks in a sling, six weeks in a cast, you do some exercises, and youll feel better.

But to be completely helpless in your recovery and not be able to do anything to really make it better is a really frustrating place to be. So, they told me I had post-concussion syndrome and months went by, then were at a year. Im going to the emergency room frequently, Id gone about three times throughout this, and every time I went, just the way that they looked at me, I could feel that they didnt believe me.

Ive never broken a bone, I dont have an extensive medical history of going to emergency rooms, so they didnt have any reason to look at me the way they were looking at me. My migraines had gotten so bad that I wasnt able to eat and within a month I had dropped probably 20 pounds, which was I would say, 10 or 15% of my body weight. It was a significant loss, I was losing about a pound a day and I went to the ER and I told them that my migraines were so bad, I couldn’t eat, and they just totally brushed me off.

I kept trying to advocate for myself because I felt like something was physically wrong. I could always feel specifically where the pain was, and I would try and explain that to my doctors and I asked them to do imaging on my neck because something felt like it was wrong, and they just didnt believe me.

So, eventually, because this had happened at work, the workmans comp board said that they werent going to pay for my emergency room visits anymore. They put me in contact with a case manager who essentially became my fairy godmother. The first call that I had with her I told her what was going on and she believed everything that I said. I didnt feel like I had to justify myself to her, I felt like she could feel how much pain I was in.

So, I had these debilitating migraines for about two years, and they were all day, every day from the time I woke up until the time I went to bed. Nothing made them better, they were just there all the time. If you googled any treatment for migraines, I had tried it. I had done physical therapy, occupational therapy, cranio-sacral therapy, massage therapy, acupuncture, you name it, I had pretty much done it.

I had been put in touch with a migraine specialist. We did Botox injections, and nothing helped, not even a little bit. It wasnt until two years after my injury, I had a procedure done on the back of my head and that finally alleviated the migraines, but it was definitely not the end of my journey through this invisible injury.

The Impact of Depression

Emily Gindlesparger: At what point in that arc did you start to experience depression?

Derryen Plante: I think throughout this entire experience, I experienced depression at a couple of different points, and it definitely didnt feel the same each time. I hit my first low the first time I went to the ER and I had gone with my mom. That point was when the migraines were so bad, I was losing weight and I could feel that my body was dying.

I looked like a corpse. I couldnt get out of bed and I could not handle the pain. It was absolutely unbearable. I had, at that point, pretty much lost my will to live, it was incredibly painful. Once I went to the emergency room, they were able to give me some anti-nausea meds, so I was at least able to eat and build up a little bit of strength, and put on some weight. That managed to bring me a little bit out of the depression that I was in at that time.

I also made the decision to go back to work and I accepted a job the following month. A lot of the depression I was experiencing at that time, I feel was related to being isolated and feeling helpless and not being able to do anything for myself.

I was able to pull myself out of that one pretty easily. My second real struggle came about two years out, right after my surgery, and it was incredibly profound in the way that I’d come out of surgery and I felt pain relief almost instantly. The surgery was intense, I had a large scar across the back of my head. I couldnt move my head for about a month, I needed a lot of assistance with things just basic and taking care of myself.

But it wasnt that, it was that after the surgery, everything was good. I was feeling good, it went well, it seemed like the problem that I had been complaining about for so long was finally addressed, and then out of nowhere, I just got this feeling. I felt somebody close to me had just died, or that I was going through a breakup.

It was the most intense depression that I had ever felt in my life, and the thing about it was it wasnt rational at all, there was nothing that I could tie it to, it wasnt because I was in pain, it wasnt because I had lost a job. It was scary, it was very scary to go through because there wasnt anything tangible that I could tie it to.

I was having the most intense feelings I had ever felt in my life, and thankfully I had done a little bit of research on it, and I had read an article about post-operative depression. I had attributed what I was feeling to that but, I am also one of those people and I will admit that at earlier points in my life, when somebody would say theyre depressed, I would be one of those people that would probably say, if you just eat better, or if you just exercise, or if you just do these things or take some proactive steps in making your depression better, that will help.

Even in my own experience when I had been depressed, I had been able to take steps like going back to work or going to the doctor and trying to get things fixed, and I had never experienced the true extent of what depression really is.

That feeling of intense uncontrollable grief and not having anywhere to put it, not having anything to attribute it to, was incredibly profound. It gave me an entirely new respect for depression.

One of the things about me personally is Ive never been a fan of medication and that was something that was really important to me through this whole thing. I didnt want any medication. I was tough. I could handle it myself, I didnt need that. Eventually, as my injury progressed, I broke down my own wall and said okay, even if its for a short time, Ill give this a go and see what happens. I would just try and get myself through this small window in my life.

The thing about medications for anxiety and depression, that is one doesnt work for everybody, some work better for some people than they do for others. You have to try different things to find what works well for you. While I was in the process of doing that, I was on one prescription that made my depressive symptoms so severe, I had so little energy that I could not even get up to bring a plate to the kitchen sink. The best I could do would be to walk across from the house and find a place to sit. Doing something as simple as going to the grocery store, I had to set a day like once a month so that I could mentally build up enough energy to go to the grocery store. So, I dont think I would go more than once a month.

I dont think I would do laundry more than once a month, because it would just take everything out of me to do something thats so simple. That gave me another picture of what depression looks like for different people. So, Ive had the severe emotional dis-regularity where you feel just the intense grief and sadness, and Ive also experienced the side of depression where youre completely fatigued and immobile and just cant get out of your own way.

This experience has opened my eyes incredibly to the sheer extent of what depression is and how it can affect people in different ways.

The Struggle of Invisible Injury

Emily Gindlesparger: Wow. Thats incredible. At what point did you realize that sharing your story would help people and that it was important to you?

Derryen Plante: This journey for me started when I decided that I wanted to write about my story, Id actually made that decision to try and do it as part of my own healing process. Going back to what I had said before, it has always been really important to me to appear tough and take care of myself, and not show weakness. So, it had taken about a year and a half after my assault for me to finally admit to myself that I was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

For the entire year and a half, I had experienced severe, horrific, vivid nightmares pretty much every night and I had a heightened startle response. If you go down the list for PTSD, I checked almost every box and my therapist kindly pointed that out to me. I had an answer for everything, Nope, I dont have it. It is not my problem. Im just fine. Just ask me, Im fine.” It took me a year and a half for me to finally look myself in the mirror and admit and say out loud, Okay, I have PTSD,” and that was something that I would have previously viewed as a sign of weakness in myself.

It had taken me a lot to get there. So, once I was finally able to sit with the fact that, Okay, this is what I have and this is what Im dealing with,” I felt that writing this down or getting this out would be the best way for me to process what I was going through. I felt like I had told the story to people a dozen times. People I had worked with or who are close to me. I would share my story with people, whether it was going to the emergency room and having doctors look at you like youre a med-seeker, or having these incredible migraines where you have to leave work early or you go home and you just sleep because you cant even function youre in so much pain.

I found that everyone that I talked to could relate to my story in one way or another, whether it was something they had experienced or that somebody in their life had experienced in different ways, whether it was a separate invisible illness, or feeling misunderstood, or that they werent heard.

I really took that, and I was hoping that if I shared that story with those around me and people could relate and could benefit, if I took my story and put it out there for more people to be able to know and experience with me, that it would not only let them know that they werent alone, but that what they were experiencing is real. And also, to validate what they were going through–to let them know that they are not alone, they are not crazy, and other people have gone through the same thing. The biggest struggle for me was that it was so isolating to go through this.

Not in the sense that I was home, and not able to work, and there werent people around me, but I would tell people that I was in excruciating pain and I looked fine. So, people begin to think that youre being a big baby about everything because you are always in excruciating pain. Come to find out two years later, there was a legitimate reason that caused my pain and it was addressed through surgery, but in the meantime, people dont understand. They dont see your arm in a cast. They dont see an x-ray that shows that youve broken your bone and, “Ohh, that looks painful.” You look completely normal. That is a huge struggle.

So, its very comforting to know that there is a community of people that have gone through similar things and can understand what youre talking about. Because in my experience I feel like there are so few people who really do truly understand what you are talking about, and when you have a conversation with somebody who does, it is just the most incredible connection that you can have.

Emily Gindlesparger: What strikes me about this struggle is not just it was an invisible injury to the layperson, to your loved ones, and to strangers that you encountered, but this was an invisible injury as well to the doctors that you dealt with. To be so isolated and so alone, I am curious did that challenge your own sense of self-trust in any way?

Derryen Plante: I would say, correct me if I am wrong in understanding, but I know that other people if they continuously go to the doctor and doctors tell them that there is nothing wrong with you, they begin to believe that there is nothing wrong with them. Throughout the whole process that was something that I held onto. I felt that something was wrong, and I felt like I knew something was wrong. Something specific–I could point to where the pain was coming from and I knew it wasnt all in my head.

I really believed that, so I didnt lose my self-trust in that way. I definitely, at some point, lost hope that anyone would ever believe me or figure out what had happened, and what occurred during the assault, that right before, I was a normal 23-year-old and after, Im in this debilitating pain 24/7. So, I lost hope and faith in getting some resolve, but I dug my feet in, and I was convinced, and I was going to keep trying.

Advocating for Yourself

Emily Gindlesparger: It sounds like a really lifesaving expression of that drive and that ambition that you had. Forgive me if am drawing an improper conclusion, but you had this huge drive to have the dream of your career when you were younger, and it sounds like some of that same drive really served you well.

Derryen Plante: It definitely did. It definitely helped at different points. It made it difficult though too. You go to doctors who are supposed to be experts, and they dismiss you or they tell you, you have something but there is no prognosis or treatment plan. You get this news and then you kind of sit with it and you ask yourself, Okay, well, where do we go from here?” Or you sit there, and you feel pretty defeated like there is nothing you can do, and you feel a little helpless.

So, it wasnt all straightforward attack-mode drive you are going to figure out what is wrong with me. There were some meetings with doctors where I left and I felt incredibly hopeless and defeated, and I would sit with that for a little while and process what they said and maybe give them a little time. But then I would pull myself back together and I would gather myself and I would go back in and I would let them know, Hey, it is still not fixed. Its not in my head,” and try again.

It was difficult though because you want to advocate for yourself and you want to find out whats wrong, and the more people you go to, the worse it makes you look because you go to people and they say that there is nothing wrong with you. I was convinced, I absolutely knew something was wrong. Its a double-edged sword because you advocate for yourself and youre trying to find what that missing piece is.

But the more people you go to, the more people that say nothing is wrong with you, it almost makes you look bad. It makes you look like youre a hypochondriac. It makes you look a certain way, and in my experience, I had gone to two specialists who didnt do any extraordinary treatment on me per se, they didnt do any scans or expensive tests, but they just had the knowledge to look at my eyes or to touch different parts on my scalp, and they were able to draw two definitive conclusions with things that I was just presenting with. They spotted it right away, Oh, you have this, you have visual midline shift syndrome.” I could not even tell you how many people looked at my eyes while I was being evaluated for head injury and concussion. This one doctor was able to look at my eyes and say, Your pupils are dilating five times faster than what theyre supposed to be. Your nervous system is in overdrive,” and he was able to fix that.

The same thing with the migraine surgeon but it was a long road. It wasnt straight, and I lost faith a few different times but because of that drive, I was able to eventually pick myself back up and try again and then try to find out what was going on.

Realistic Hope

Emily Gindlesparger: Wow, thats incredible. Give us a snapshot of what your life looks like now. Where are you now in this journey?

Derryen Plante: So far, even with COVID, I am without a doubt at the best point in my life and it is for a few different reasons. Before the assault, I was very externally driven. I was only focused on my goals and how to get there and what I was going to achieve. I wasnt happy with myself. I didnt love myself. I wasnt any of the things that you want to be in the world.

So, through all of this, when I decided to start working through my trauma with my therapist, you dont just decide what pieces of trauma you want to work on. You work on the big picture and how it affects you.

Talking and working through everything and not being afraid of what to say or how it was going to come out and being open and getting everything out. I have been able to unburden myself of so much anger that I have been carrying around for my entire life. I have not only been able to work through the issues that are directly related to my trauma, but Ive also been able to work through some of the ways that I had been living for my entire life, some of the negative coping skills that I had developed at a really early age. And be able to build myself into a better person without just focusing on the trauma, and fixing those pieces, but fixing all of the parts of myself that were holding me back. I can finally sit and acknowledge who I am and feel happy about who I am and love myself.

There were times, especially during my injury, that I couldnt look myself in the mirror. I disliked everything about myself, who I was, how I looked. I had, during my recovery process, the lowest amount of self-esteem and self-worth I ever had in my entire life. That point was about a year ago. So, just within this last year, the amount of personal growth and self-love and acceptance has grown so much inside of me.

Ive come to a place where I finally just feel good. I feel okay. I dont feel like I have a million pounds on my shoulders. I can walk through the world and not be angry and not be afraid in the sense that Im going to be attacked in a PTSD kind of way. Ive come to learn that life happens and even though I am in a great place right now, things can happen, and I might not be in a great place at another time.

But it is nice to know, sitting here right now, that I am capable of feeling like this, feeling self-love and good and happy. When those things arise in life, whether it is something else thats traumatic, or anything that life has to throw at you, I have developed some skills so that I can encourage myself to come back to this point. If Ive achieved this level of self-love and self-acceptance and being content in my own skin right now, then I can continue to try and fight to maintain this going forward, no matter what happens.

Emily Gindlesparger: Wow, thats the most realistic kind of hope Ive ever heard described. Derryen, thats amazing. Thank you.

Derryen Plante: It really is though. Ive gone through some other things in the meantime and Ive been able to acknowledge different things and bring myself back to this place, and it is not perfect. Life is not perfect. Im not perfect. I have days where Im like, Ooh wow, I could have handled that better,” or you know, Ooh I am a little feisty today.” Its not perfect and through everything, I definitely had to learn to be kind to myself.

I think that is where I started, and it didnt happen overnight. I pushed myself so hard to try and recover, and be determined and get through what I was going through, and when I wouldnt get better, I would blame it on myself, thinking that if I just worked harder, if I did this or this. It is not perfect. You have to be kind to yourself through this and you have people around you, but when you sit at the end of the day and its just you–I actually read something that is really interesting, I believe there is a Japanese saying that people have three faces. There is the one that they project to the world. There is the one that they project to their close family and friends and then theres your true self.

So, when you sit there and its just you at the end of the day because thats all you have is just you, you have to be honest with yourself. Dont lie to yourself. Dont be cruel to yourself. Just sit there and acknowledge what youre feeling, and what youre going through, and what you need and be able to have the strength and courage to let other people know, Hey, this is what Im feeling, this is what Im going through, and this is what I need.”

Emily Gindlesparger: Thats amazing. Thank you so much, Derryen. There have been so many wonderful lessons that have come out of this discussion and certainly out of your book and I am so excited for readers to check it out. Again, the book is called, Youve got some Nerve: The Battle Back from an Invisible Injury, and besides checking out the book, where can people find you?

Derryen Plante: People can find me on social media. I am also launching a website to go along with my book. Its On my website, I will be posting weekly blogs focused on brain injury, invisible illnesses, education advocacy, and support. Im also active on social media, Instagram, Twitter. All of those links to connect with me will be on my website as well.

Emily Gindlesparger: Beautiful and just to spell that out, its Thats wonderful, thank you.