February 15, 2023

When Your Mind Screams: Christopher Glatis

My next guest author explores anxiety from the lens of a creative, demonstrating how anxiety makes us feel fearful and stressed in an effort to help, though, it’s actually doing anything but. In fact, the instinct to run from anxiety’s uncomfortable sensations does more harm than good. Welcome back to the Author Hour podcast. I’m your host, Hussein Al-Baiaty, and my next guest is Christopher Glatis. He’s here with me to talk about his new book called When Your Mind Screams. Let’s flip through it.

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the show. I am here with my friend, Chris Glatis, who’s here to talk about his new book, When Your Mind Screams. Chris, I’m so excited to have you on the show today because the topic is juicy. How’re you doing, Chris?

Christopher Glatis: I’m doing great. I just want to let you know, the last name is actually Glatis.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Oh, Glatis. My apologies.

Christopher Glatis: It’s a long A. No problem, no problem.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: My apologies. How do you feel today, man? Your book is coming out. I know you put some time and energy into this thing. Overall, how are you feeling?

Christopher Glatis: I feel good. I think whenever you put out anything – I’m also a creative. I’m a writer, a screenwriter as well. When you put stuff out like this, you never know how people are going to respond. I mean, you have a small group of people around you that give you feedback. This was really, really personal, and I feel a little naked. But I’m excited about it. I think that there’s a lot of things in this book that work for me and my struggles with anxiety. So I figure it’ll work for someone else.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: I love that so much. I’m glad that you mentioned that you are creative, that you’re a filmmaker and an artist, just in general, because I too am an artist. I associate myself with artists through my whole life. It’s interesting to perceive anxiety from that lens because it is a little bit unique, and it is really powerful as well, especially from the creative sense.

But, Chris, I want to go back in time a little bit. I want the audience to get to know you a little bit. Maybe share about where you grew up, who are you surrounded by, type of people that influenced you, and then how you got into your line of work, but also now a deeper sense of understanding this concept of anxiety. But I want to go back in time a little bit and share about who Chris really is and where did he grow up.


Christopher Glatis: Sure, sure. So I grew up on the East Coast in Bethesda, Maryland, which is right outside of Washington, DC. I love the area, a lot of rich history. Obviously, that’s the political hub of the US. I live in Los Angeles now, and so entertainment here is like what politics was to DC.

My father was in the military. He ended up getting involved with a naval engineering company. That was his business. My mother also worked for the government for a little bit. I ended up going to school down in North Carolina. When I was in North Carolina, I went to school called East Carolina, and that’s where I really got the bug for the creative world and filmmaking and just the arts in general.

Towards the end of my time there at East Carolina, I was like I want to go to film school. Obviously, I have – There’s so many filmmakers that I admire and love what they were doing and the stories they were telling. I think, really, that’s what got me excited, was the storytelling aspect and being able to just create something out of nothing, and then put it out to the world. I don’t know. The whole process just was fascinating to me.

I got my master’s in film in Washington, DC at American University, which is also right outside of Bethesda. For a while there, before I came out to LA, I was bartending. There was a group of guys in DC, who they created this wonderful club. It was called the Eighteenth Street Lounge. It actually – Then they went on to open up all kinds of other things. It was weird because there was a period of time I was like, “Should I stay here in DC? I could get into business with these guys. Or should I follow my dream?” Then that’s when I headed out to LA, and the rest went from there.

So that’s kind of the background, and I will say that when I was in college, really going from high school to college was really when the anxiety for me started to go come forth, and jumping into that next step in my life. It was scary because back then, there wasn’t really a lot of information out there. I mean, there was, but it was really clinical. I think women were more – They kept on saying women more was susceptible to this. So men really didn’t come forward. They kept it in. They didn’t bring it forward. So that’s where it came from and how this all started.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: That’s a beautiful journey, man. I mean, it sounds like you really started tapping into your creativity, and that, obviously, piqued your interest. But going in that world, it’s the uncertainty with anything creative. It seems like in our culture, to practice that or go into those fields, there is this sensibility of like, “What’s going to happen? When does my career take off?” There’s all these, especially when you’re young and you’re really trying to figure out the world.

But then there’s a sense of you that is leaning towards this creativity. So as you start doing that, it sounds like this anxious part of you starts to come out, or perhaps maybe it’s been there. Now, you just notice it more. Where did you start feeling that, and how did you – I mean, I know you said you were trying to read up on these things, but it’s too clinical. So how did you start to figure out this idea of having anxiety? What do you do with it? What do you do with that energy? How did that evolve throughout your career?

I guess you start going off, and you’re writing film and all these good things. But there’s this part that we cannot ignore as creative, and that’s our anxiety. Can you talk a little bit about more about how you started navigating it and learning about it and, I guess, healing yourself through it?

Christopher Glatis: I bring this up in the book in that when I started to have these panic attacks and just generalized anxiety towards the end of my high – really, it started hitting me right at the end of high school. Unfortunately, my parents really didn’t know what to do with it. Now, I don’t know if they were – I don’t really know what it was, but there wasn’t a lot of conversation around it. I was told things. Maybe because I was a man, to go work out, like just burn off some energy, whatever it was. They were not there for me going through this, which was really hard.

So I just started to do research. I found some books that, like I said, were more clinical. I did work out. As far as just burning off some energy physically was helpful. But it was a really scary time. Really, when I got to school, when I got to college is when I really couldn’t – It was hard to keep a lid on it anymore, and I just picked up a phone book. There were phone books back then. I found a psychiatrist in the area, and I went and saw him. Within five minutes, he was like, “You have panic disorder.”

It was weird because I felt a ton of relief because I was like, “Oh, my God. There’s a name for this.” But at the same time, I felt like I was broken in some way, right? As far as being a creative, another thing I write about in the book is that we – Creatives have an unbelievable imagination. When I say creatives, I think creative people are in all areas, in business. They could be everywhere, right? It’s not just creating art.

The issue is that we have unbelievable imaginations, right? Those imaginations can be used for good, but they could also send you down a really dark road. So it’s really about keeping – I think what I said in the book was that when I’m sitting down, and I’m writing something, or I’m on the set or whatever, it’s let that creativity run wild. But if I’m not in that mode, I hear something about something in the world, in the news, and I start using imagination to go down this really scary path. I really have to make an effort to put a stop to it because it’s a gift. But it also can be a little bit of a curse.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: That’s really powerful. Because, like I said, I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, especially, like you said, that’s a period that you do feel that anxiety. But the moving through it, understanding it, naming it, and just learning about it when somebody points it out. I remember when I started seeing a therapist and she started pointing things out about how I saw the world. I had a very traumatic childhood, so it’s like I didn’t even know that I went through trauma. I didn’t even know what trauma was until I was in college. You know what I mean? Unless it was physical trauma, I didn’t understand it.

Once you start understanding what’s actually happening in your mind, you can further try to learn about it or discuss it in a way that you can articulate it in a way, and you’re bringing it to light. The more you bring it to light, the more it reveals itself, right? I love that you broke your book down into acts, obvious. I look at life in that way too, like this act is temporary, and I hope the next act is longer, right? They broke down the acts in a very beautiful way, but you sum them up in like a word. I thought that was so powerful.

You summed up the first act, this idea through breath and breathing. Can you talk to me a little bit about that first act of yours and what do you mean? How do we carry our breath? What does the breath have to do with any of this, just see through understanding our anxiety? Then more specifically, go a little bit deeper and talk about fears. Can you take us through that journey a little bit?

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First Act: Breathing

Christopher Glatis: Sure. I appreciate you bringing that up about your experience with trauma. I think that that’s – Going through COVID, what we just went through, there’s a lot of stuff that’s bubbling up to the surface. People struggling with mental illness and trauma is getting a spotlight now, and it’s nothing to be ashamed of, and I think it’s something that lives in our body. It really does live in our body.

So on your question, the breath, I think what the breath does for me is it takes me into my body. It pauses everything, right? I just breathe. I might put my hand on my chest, and just like I’m here. I’m present. My feet are on the ground. It just puts the brakes, even just for a moment. Because as anxiety sufferers, we tend to live in our head, right? Maybe I’m speaking generally, but I do believe that I lived from the neck up forever, right? So if I live from the neck up, the breath isn’t there, right? It’s usually very, very shallow, and that just exacerbates the mind stream, the negative mind stream that’s going on.

I think that to pause and take a breath or a few breaths, and they have all these wonderful different breathing techniques now, and there’s a 4-7-8 breath, which really you could do that three or four times, and it slows down your heart rate. It brings down your blood pressure. So I really think if you don’t have that, that’s kind of the basis for everything else. Once you can land in your body, breathe fully, deeply, you can then walk through the next steps.

Just really quickly, what I tried to do – I think anxiety sufferers also try to overcomplicate things, right? Or complicated things make them even – Also make them more anxious, right? So I try as best as I could to make things really simple because this – If something – Sometimes, people will be like, “Well, that’s too easy. That’s not going to work.” I believe that the simple things in life are the ones, the things that work the most, right? I think we tend to overcomplicate things in all areas of our life.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah. It’s like you’re right. This idea of that’s way too easy for it to be the answer and it’s like – I mean, if you think about how complex oxygen is just in the sheer beauty in it, that it quite literally nourishes everything, why not it nourish you, if you are intentional about how you think about just breathing in general. It’s the most repetitive thing. We take it completely for granted. I mean, I know I did. I took it completely for granted, up until I started learning that managing my calm was managing my breath. Like if you want to remain calm, you manage your breath. I mean, that’s one aspect of it.

It was profound when I learned that, right? How I apply that now, whether I’m running, whether I’m getting ready into prayer, or get ready to go into painting or working, it’s the one thing I started to lean in and just be like, “Okay, couple of deep breaths. All right. Now, I’m in this space. I’m here now. I’m in this space. Take it away muse,” or whatever it is, right? But I love that.

Then you really go in deep when you talk about fear is excitement without breath. I saw that, I was like, “Man, it’s so deep.” But can you share a little bit about this idea of fear being excitement without breath? What do you mean by that?

Christopher Glatis: Well, that definitely wasn’t my term or my phrasing. I loved it, and I think that if you look at it clinically – I’m not a medical doctor or a neurosurgeon or anything like that, but I do believe, and I think it’s been proven, that anxiety and excitement fire the same parts of the brain. They fire up the same parts of the brain. So what I’m trying to say there is that our perception of what is going on is the key to unlock all this.

I say that – Someone says they have anxiety. What does that mean? Like if something in their external world, maybe they just lost a job, they just broke up with someone, whatever it is, that creates anxiety, right? But if we look at something in a certain way, it’s going to create anxiety. If we just shift our viewpoint just two percent, it could actually create excitement. Maybe that job that person couldn’t stand, and this is going to open up a door to a new job. So it’s kind of like almost like a reframing.

At the core of it, I think what that means is that it is firing in the same parts of the brain. If we bring breath to that scenario, we can really settle in and go, “Am I excited now, or am I feeling anxiety?” I mean, before I get on a roller coaster when I was younger, you know how you feel that it doesn’t feel great, but you’re excited, and even before I got on this call with you, it was like there was a little bit of unease going on. But I was like, “That’s excitement. That’s not anxiety.” I’m rambling.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Totally. No, it totally brings it together because it’s you choosing. It’s being intentional about where you’re channeling. It’s like, okay, here’s the river. But you get to choose where you want to point the river, what direction, sort of a negative stimulus or positive one. If you can just have just a moment, that split second decision, where you get to decide like, “Oh, no, no. Actually, I’m excited,” and that’s what this feeling is.

How does fear and excitement and all these things working together in tangent, how are they bringing to the spotlight what you believe anxiety is? How do you start to manage it through the breath? I guess what I’m trying to say is, how did you start learning about these things, and how did you start applying your breathing, your perception, these tools that now you’re starting to add to not in a way fight or whatever, but really to understand anxiety.

Christopher Glatis: Yeah. Well, look, it took me a long time. I think that that’s one of the reasons why I wanted to write the book is that it’s really the book that I would have liked to have when I was younger, because it speaks to people in a conversational way. I don’t want to baby anyone either. This is a tough road, and you have to – One of the things that I think was helpful for me is to learning how to lean in. Not to lean back from the fear or the anxiety, but to actually engage with it, right?

This takes one caveat. I’ll say what I was mentioning to you before about the breath work and also being able to try to figure out if it’s fear or excitement, is that there are times when it’s overwhelming. There’s definitely times when I’m overwhelmed, and I can’t do any of that. I’ll either just do something to distract me from the feeling. I mean, that happens. That does happen. So this isn’t something that you really got to practice. It’s a muscle, right?

I think just over the years of all the different people that I’ve been involved with, whether it’s therapists or psychiatrist or my wife or just things started to come together and congeal for me, right? The one thing I realized was that with everything that I’ve read and everything that I’ve taken in and everyone that I’ve talked to, these three things seem to come up constantly, right? The breath, the observation, and letting go, allowing.

That’s why I was like – Because what if I would feel anxious? I was like – I get on YouTube and I’ll listen to a podcast or I’ll listen to a meditation or I never knew what to do. I never – Now, when it happens, first thing I do, I go to breathe. I think this is – The great thing is it’s accessible to anyone. It really doesn’t require any tools, except for the individual and a little bit of willingness to take a leap off into what may appear to be a deep end.

Second Act: Observing

Hussein Al-Baiaty: What I’m trying to gather here for our listeners and for myself is that as you grow to understand, you also grow the tools of how you perceive and see that all human beings carry, right? It’s just, again, how do you perceive it? How do you work with it? How do you challenge it? How do you get better through it? It sounds like you started picking up tools and ways of dealing with what you innately have. Again, not to run away from it, but to lean into it and utilize that energy for your own improvement.

You sort of sum up act two, this idea of confrontation and what you do in that space when things are overwhelming and heightened all your emotions. You use the word observe. Man, that’s so powerful too because the ability to step back from what’s actually happening in front of you and to almost not have judgment, not react, but to almost start developing a response system, where let me just sit back for a moment. Let me peel myself back. Let me get this 10,000-foot perspective, which I found was really powerful.

But can you speak to that a little bit? When and how did you pick up this idea of observing around when things are heightened so that you can sort of move, and navigate through it the best way that you can?

Christopher Glatis: Yeah. Probably, I would say journaling probably started this process for me because when I was younger, I used to do Julia Cameron’s Morning Pages, which came out of The Artist’s Way. She was talking about these Morning Pages being like windshield wipers for your day to clear out all the muck. When I started to look at the things I was writing, I was like, “Wow. You wouldn’t say those things to anyone.” The things you say to yourself on a daily basis that go through your head, you wouldn’t say that to anyone, not even a stranger. I realized that it felt good. I felt good after putting all that out there, and I was able to see, just get all that out, see the ticker tape that was going through my head, right?

I think that journaling and meditation would be probably the areas that really brought this forth for me to really understand that I can separate myself from the thoughts, right? For such a long time I was like, the thoughts are me. We’re connected. I have to trust them. I think it was Tara Brach who is saying your thoughts are real, but they’re not necessarily true, right? So the observation part to me is so key because once we start to see the flow that’s going through our mind, we can then say, “No, that’s not true. That’s not true. I’m not going to engage with that. I’m not going to engage with that,” because we’re on autopilot most of the day.

I catch myself all the time still on autopilot. If I start to feel anxious, I sometimes will wind back the clock a little bit and be like, “Oh, there was something I said to myself or went through my mind 10 minutes ago, and that’s what I’m now stressing about.” To sum it up, it would be probably journaling and meditation, I think, were the keys to unlocking the information that I put forth in that section.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: That’s really powerful, and I think this idea of just creating this practice, again, it’s that repetition and practice of what to do with this energy, right? Like when it comes up, you have these thoughts. These thoughts can derive negative emotions and negative ideas. It can take a creative person’s imagination to a place where it doesn’t really need to be in. It doesn’t serve them.

As an artist, I grew up – I had an amazing father, man. He painted. He literally rescued our lives from our refugee camp through painting physical art that he sold to the soldiers in Saudi Arabia back in 1994. He was able to build these connections and help us literally come out of the refugee camp because of how he was able to do that. But do talk about pressure. Talk about all these things. Talk about anxiety. He has seven kids, right? Like literally sitting in this camp. I think about that all the time.

Christopher Glatis: You create that book. It’s a book right there, man.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Oh, though that, I wrote the book. Yeah. This is how, literally, I came to Scribe, and I now work with Scribe and all that good stuff. But, yeah, man. No, it’s a powerful thing. But what I’m trying to say is, for me, when I start to think about stepping into my art, stepping into painting, stepping into writing and poetry and whatever, you have that voice that comes up, and it’s just like, “Okay, how do I navigate this voice? What is it really trying to tell me? What is the story that is real and not real? Are these things that I made up? Or are these things actually there?”

For the most part, my mind is so creative that it does make up shit. You know what I mean? So is it true? Probably not. Then, obviously, the moment I reflect any of those feelings to my wife or my amazing friends that really helped me navigate those things, they’re just like reflecting the truth. The truth is a lot of those stories are in my head, and it’s like, okay, so now I can channel that into writing. I do the prayer, the Islamic prayer. Those things all helped me so much, just kind of home in, get to the calm. From the calm, I can go do my practice. I love that. You’re making this all physical and tactical and easy to kind of – I don’t want to say easy, but to build up a habit that can really serve you in the end, right?

Christopher Glatis: Yeah. You made a great point too. The whole thing about having a team, I write about that as well. You have people that you can bounce things off of and say, “Am I crazy right now?” The other day, I called a buddy of mine and I go, “Look, I need an objective viewpoint right now.” That is gold because sometimes you’re so trapped in the mind stream, you can’t get out of it.

That’s the other thing. Probably the last two, three years, I’ve been doing some trauma work and realizing that how everything does live, your body knows. Your body speaks to you. My body has been speaking to me for a long time, and I wasn’t listening, right? So that’s why the whole point of the book is to get out of your head and into the body. Or at least get a little bit out of the head and more into the body because the head is where this anxiety – It’s where – There might be some trauma that lives in the body. It’s talking to the mind, and it’s creating all this stuff.

Sometimes, you have to sit with really uncomfortable physical feelings. But if you do it long enough, it tends to off gas, and it tends to leave the body. But you have to feel those feelings. I’m still – Get on that. But you made a really good point about having a team.

The Daily Practice of Letting Go

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Have a lean into those people and just lean into these external things that I feel like are helping me always process the emotions and the creativity as well, and that energy. So this is great, man. I really appreciate this conversation because, again, I feel like we just vibe from artist-to artist level.

But I think these are tactical things that anyone can use, anyone can apply, is really powerful. What would you say a daily spiritual practice that you do that really helps you reach that calm? How did you end up building that?

Christopher Glatis: Yeah. Well, that’s another – The anchor for the day, right? I usually wake up fairly early, 6:00, 6:30. I try not to touch my phone or emails or any of that stuff, until I bring up the phone maybe to put some music on or a meditation. But I find that how you start your day is going to paint the rest of the day, right?

So I do some breath work. I do a five-minute journal. Me and my wife had been doing the breath work together, which is great. The meditation, I try to meditate twice a day. Usually, the first one is no problem but the second one sometimes, it’s hard to get to. I’ll do that.

I’ve been doing this intermittent fasting. So sometimes, I don’t eat till later in the day. But I think that just starting off without all the inputs from the world is helpful. I know everyone can’t do that. It’s not accessible to everyone because they’re either on call, or they have their doctors, or they have to be able to respond to people immediately. But I find those things. If you look at breathe, observe, let go, which are the sections of the book, it kind of encapsulates what I do in the morning.

The only other thing I’ll say that I try to do during the day is if I feel like I want to speed up, like I feel an urgency or a sense of speeding up, that’s the signal to me that I either don’t want to feel something in that moment, and I need to slow down. If I can just stop, like when I’m spinning 10 plates, it sometimes feels good, but I’m probably trying to avoid something, so I’m getting busy, right? With everyone in my life during the day is try to respond, not react. It can be so hard. Even with myself, just take a breath. Okay, I’m going to respond now. I’m not going to react to something that happened when I was a child.

Those things, that morning practice, which you’ve probably heard many other individuals and authors and thought leaders, they all have some sort of morning routine. I think that that’s been the most helpful for me.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Very powerful, man. So the last component, which brings this all together, this idea of letting go, and if you were to sum that up, paraphrase it, if you will, your book goes extensively into it, which I love, but this idea of learning to let go of things.

Obviously, we can’t disconnect and sever. There’s no bridges to burn, right? These are your emotions. This is who you are, and you have to just learn more about who you are and how those components work. It sounds like that’s been your journey as a creative is to learn about that in the form of anxiety. But how does letting go really impact the whole formula and bring us home?

Christopher Glatis: Yeah. This one’s probably the toughest one for me. If I could, I’d love to start with that because I think that is probably one of the most important things. But it takes a while to get there I think, and I always thought the idea of letting go or surrender meant that you just threw up your hands and you were a doormat. I really had to, over the years, I kept on trying to understand what does this mean. How can you be in the moment when you’re feeling extreme fear or whatever, and you just don’t do anything about it? You just sit with it. How can that be possible?

I think what I finally landed on is it’s not doing nothing about it. It’s moment to moment, you’re letting go of outcome or what the world is giving you. If you can do that, you can then make the proper decision to move forward, if that makes sense. You don’t want to fight. You fight the feeling. You fight anything. It’s going to persist. I think I did write about this in the book that we really have control over very few things. So I mentioned in the book talking about when you go to sleep every night, you let go of everything. You trust. You trust your body is going to keep on working for you. It’s a huge letting go every night, but we just take it for granted.

But I just want to – This is a good time here. I wanted to circle back to when I was talking about my parents. I didn’t talk about that much. I still have a – My father passed away in 2003. My mom’s still alive. I had a difficult childhood, and it’s tough to talk about. I do dive into it pretty deep in the book. But I guess the letting go around that, for me is, look, they probably had – I knew my grandfather. I knew three of my grandparents. But I was young. I don’t know what my mom and my dad went through when they were younger. They clearly had their traumas, and they did the best they could with what they had.

Unfortunately, it ended up with me being neglected in certain ways, right? But I’m doing – Every day, I try to let go of whatever my perceptions are around what should have happened or whatever and try to be compassionate and, ultimately, forgiveness and love. It’s really hard. It’s really hard, but it’s something I work on every day. I think that kind of encapsulates the letting go because that’s a big one.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Man, I’m so glad you went there. I think it’s so powerful that this idea that once you rise through layers of your understanding of yourself, the things that make you anxious, the things that never really made sense, the frustration, the anger, once you rise through that, especially creativity, I feel, really takes you there. Because I feel like in order to really produce your most heartfelt creative things, you really have to make amends with these feelings because they can get in the way of you producing the work that you ultimately dream of producing, the stuff that you really are passionate about, all those things.

I feel like as creatives, if we don’t deal with and understand our internal clockwork, if you will, the things that are making us tick, that anger us, whatever, we don’t understand them and position them in a way that can really help us, as opposed to get in our way, there’s going to be issue. It sounds like throughout your book, as I skim through it, I realized you were really just elevating yourself through. You’re transcending these things as you dealt with them head on. It’s really beautiful, man, because the letting go part is I feel like where I’m at today.

It’s like realizing that like my mom didn’t finish fifth grade. The only language she knew is how to love me physically and talking to me and in her way of controlling, but there was so much trauma in her childhood. Now, I’m really growing and breathing that. Because I recognize myself and recognize where all those components are in me, I now can see them in her and how she deals with her day-to-day stuff.

Again, the things that she hasn’t dealt with, the things that – So there’s a lot of letting go. Like you said, there’s a lot of forgiveness. I’m more tempered. Like you said earlier, I’m not rushing to get off the phone. I’m really like, “Let me see where this conversation goes with mom today.” You know what I mean? And really being intentional about that river and pointing it more in a positive lens. Because in the past, when I was young, I would be angry, or my mom doesn’t understand me or whatever it was. I wasn’t at the wheel. My true self wasn’t at the wheel. It was a part of me that didn’t understand.

I love that, man, because you really bring it full circle for me personally, and I just appreciate that. The letting go part is for sure the hardest, but it’s the one that you have to earn, as you try to transcend through these other steps and processes. So you really brought it home, and the book is fantastic. I can’t wait for people to get out there and get it because it’s a gem, man. Thank you for sharing your wisdom, Chris. I just have to say congratulations because writing a book is no easy feat. That’s for sure.

Christopher Glatis: Yeah. Well thank you so much. Your awareness is amazing. I mean, that’s one thing I’ll say is I wish when I was younger, that I had the – It’s more accepted, I think, nowadays, like which is fantastic. Mental illness, people struggles, people are putting it out there more because I think it needs to be out there, and people were open to it, right? So I think it’s amazing, and it was really great chatting with you. Yeah, it’s fantastic. Thank you.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Absolutely. Yeah, Chris. Again, man, I learned so much today. Your experience and your stories are just profound. Again, I encourage everyone listening to go get this book. The book is called When Your Mind Screams: Finding Peace and Confidence in the Midst of Anxiety. So besides checking out the book, where can people find you, Chris?

Christopher Glatis: Yeah. So I’m slowly building all my networks. For a long time, I didn’t really have much. But if you just look up my name, Christopher Glatis, on Twitter, Instagram, and also Facebook, those are all live, and I should have a website going up soon. But those are probably the easiest places to connect.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Well, thanks, again, for your time today. Congratulations on your book. I cannot wait. Again, man, I had a fantastic conversation. You’ve been brilliant, absolutely brilliant. So thanks for coming on the show today. Appreciate your time.

Christopher Glatis: Absolutely. You’ve been a wonderful host. Appreciate it.