November 2, 2022

The Prescription to Heal Your Career: Scott A. Cook, MD, MPH

The first step in finding professional happiness is realizing your career needs healing. Maybe you’re weighed down by a toxic work environment or feel a lack of fulfillment in your role. But the only way to learn to heal in your professional life is to learn to diagnose and treat it. As a doctor in 10 different specialized fields, Dr. Cook offers a variety of treatments for any illness, your career, or corporation may have.

Welcome back to the Author Hour Podcast. I’m your host, Hussein Al-Baiaty and I’m joined by Dr. Scott Cook to celebrate and talk about his new book, The Prescription to Heal Your Career. Let’s jump into it.

All right, everyone, I’m super excited to have my next guest on. Dr. Cook is here to tell us all about how we can create a balance between life, health, organizations, work culture, so many things. I was reading through this beautiful man’s book and I was just ecstatic to meet him. So today, I’m honored to have him on the show. Dr. Cook, how are you feeling?

Scott Cook: Great, Hussein. I appreciate you having me on and really, really looking forward to having a great discussion.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: I love that, man. So, let’s start giving our audience a little bit of an idea of sort of who you are, your personal background, and I know you said this is a labor of love, writing this book. But before all that, how did you get into medicine? How did you get into this healthcare world?

Scott Cook: Great question. When I was a young child, my mom died of cancer, and as I got older, I sort of had to reflect and try to understand why that happened and how it happened. So, that was sort of my entry into medicine, or at least an interest in medicine. And so, I pursued the sciences, math, all the kinds of technical disciplines as I was going through high school and college and eventually ended up in medical school. And it was a great journey and it helped me understand why illness happens, and it really led me to try to lead a life of service and helping others and trying to prevent disease. So, it really came from personal pain and tragedy, but in the end, I’m able to help people, which I love.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: That’s so powerful. So, I gotta be honest with you. As I was reading about you and your history, two things came to my mind. So, my nephew, who I wrote my book for, he’s in medical school right now, and he’s just a brilliant young kid. His mom was also in medical school when we came to America. So, my sister. She never finished, just a lot of things, having kids, life, but she’s in that medical world as well. And I also grew up in America from 1994 till now, we had a doctor my mom and dad went to and all these things, and he was from Pakistan.

So, as I was reading your story, I reflected back on all these beautiful people in the medical profession, because my mom had a lot of complications. We lived in a refugee camp for about four years. So, I remember going with them to translate with the doctors, to kind of be, this is again, in the ‘90s and 2000s, long before the – everything now is like translated. So, as I was sort of reading through your work, I was reflecting back on my own life, and all the times that I had the opportunities to talk and learn from doctors. And I was just really touched by the work that you do. And especially in the last couple of years, obviously, we’ve seen the medical profession, just, I mean, rise to heroic, I mean, not that they haven’t always been heroes, in our eyes, but we’ve seen them grow in our eyes, grow in our emotional being.

Can you talk a little bit about what’s that been for you? As you see your career go from just wanting to understand what happened with your mom, to going into one of the hardest, I think, emotionally hardest professions out there, and to pay a lot of money to go into it. Can you walk us through a little bit of what that was like for you, going through the schooling and having mentors, and then growing out of that to really seek helping people?

Inspiration and Hip-Hop

Scott Cook: It was really challenging. One of my heroes, Shawn Carter, aka Jay-Z, always says that, “Life doesn’t happen to you, it happens for you.” I think that’s pretty prophetic. Things happen for a reason and at times, it’s hard to understand. And I think if my mother had not become ill, maybe I would have never pursued medicine. I have a line in my book where I say, “The universe is always sending you reverberations.” So, there are these impulses that we feel where we feel inspired to do something and it comes from a place. And if we listen to those reverberations, and we kind of fine-tune, kind of how we feel, and what we think, it’ll inform some of our decisions.

So, I really feel I was more compelled to go into medicine, and it was really an attraction to the field based on this tragedy. And then the training, of course, is very difficult. And there were incessant naysayers. I mean, at every level of my education, from kindergarten, through medical school, people, even teachers told me, “You’re not going to make it. You’re going to have a hard time. You’re not going to be successful.” But I always knew that I would. So, I think we feel things innately. When you feel something, and you know it’s for you, you have to believe that and you have to go for it, regardless of what other people say. And so, I was able to sort of avoid some of these pitfalls and roadblocks, and eventually reach my destination. It was very challenging, but it’s been the most rewarding journey of my life. I think it started from a place of truly feeling inspired.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah. Man, I love that. I resonate with that so much. My seventh-grade ESL teacher said, we were going around a room, and we were talking about, like, “What are you going to be when you grow up? Or what do you want to do?” I promised my dad I was going to be an architect, because that’s what he wanted to do. And growing up in Iraq, he did like urban planning, but he never went to school for it. And I said that, and she’s like, “That’s a very difficult profession. A lot of people drop out of that and you should think about something else.” And I said, “We came here from nothing. Why wouldn’t I pursue something like this?” And it stuck with me. I don’t think she meant it in the most harsh way. I don’t think the intention was negative or bad. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve realized this, but at the same time, it’s nothing you want to say to a child, right? You should always just believe in their ideas.

Scott Cook: Very interesting point. Sometimes it really comes from a pure place. I know Jay-Z again, always says, his uncle told him he’d never sell a million records. And he says now he’s sold a million records, like a million times. I think they’re trying to maybe at times protect us. I know, I was told, being African American and wanting to go into the sciences, “You should go into something where you use your hands.” A lot of guidance counselors told me that. And my reply, even at a young age is, “I am going to use my hands, I’m going to be a doctor.” So, you just have to stay focused.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Man, I love that. So, you referenced Jay-Z a few times. And I gotta point that out, because you mix hip-hop into your book, of course. And for me growing up in America, hip hop was like the closest thing I can fathom, because I grew up in a very poetic family. My dad was into poetry and art, and my mom was. But I felt like hip hop was a revelation of that, if you will, coming from the Quran and all those kinds of things. So, I love that you point out Jay-Z, because in so many ways, Jay-Z inspired me to pursue architecture and entrepreneurship. It wasn’t always the violence in hip hop culture. For me, it was like, there are people who look like me that have done amazing things, and I want to be the greatest part of me. I always felt like that music was your pump-up music. It gets you through those negative times and I love that you point and reference that so much. So, tell me a little bit about who you’re trying to inspire? Who did you write this book for?

Scott Cook: I really wrote the book for anybody who is struggling in life, first of all. But specifically, if you’re struggling in your job, you feel stuck or stagnant. If you have a toxic work culture. So, I wrote it for individuals primarily that might be stuck, struggling, burned out or in a toxic work culture. But on the flip side, I wrote it for people who are in leadership positions in corporations to try to understand why you have a toxic work culture, and then I have some strategies on how you can heal your career or heal your work culture. The book is written in a very unique way. I’ve not seen a book about careers or business similar, where it mixes so many different components, stories, personality types, brain exercises that you can do as you read. So, it’s a way to try to capture the reader’s attention and make people think deeply about their careers or corporate cultures.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah. It was really cool to kind of read through your book. You use the number two (2) in place of the letter T, and the letter O. I love that, because at first it kind of caught me off guard. But again, you’re doing these things intentionally to get me to see this idea of the two faces, two personalities, the two people. I love that it’s woven all throughout your book.

So, you talk about taming the jealous mistress, because our jobs and our work can feel like that sometimes. But you have a very unique perspective. Can you share a little bit about the jealous mistress that creeps up in your career?

The Jealous Mistress

Scott Cook: Absolutely. My introduction is titled, as you spoke, “How to tame the jealous mistress.” And the first line of the book is basically reminding readers about what the profession of medicine is. And even if you’re not in health care, most people can relate. So, the first line I say is that practicing medicine is like having a jealous mistress. And what that means is, she, meaning medicine or your job will start to call in the middle of the night. As time goes on, she will start being more demanding, she will require more of your time. She’s going to start showing up at your kids’ birthday parties, meaning you’re spending time with your family, and she’s going to call, “Hey, we need you at work.”

So, this jealous mistress snowballs, and if you don’t learn to tame it, she will take over your life. And that will be the first thing to get your life out of balance. And in the book, I talk about why the reason that people get burned out in their careers is because they lose that balance. So, we have to protect our private time and try to do a great job at work when we’re there. But there really has to be balance.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: What’s something you started practicing to learn to attain that. What are some things that you implemented, that were like, “These are my boundaries with this mistress. I’m done.” What were some of those tactics that you started employing, or deploying, to help keep that balance? Because I know you also talk about you reached the threshold of burnout, but then you brought it back a little bit. So, tell me a little bit about that.

Scott Cook: It’s interesting and that’s a great question. If I’m honest, I was very terrible at it early in my career. I pretty much just acquiesced to the mistress and gave everything to work. And I think it was a vacation, I was working in the emergency room, was a New York doctor at the time, which is very stressful. And I found myself in Jamaica with one of my friends and we were there a week. On the way home, he kind of nudged me on the plane. He said, “Did you have fun?” I said, “Yeah.” And he reminded me, “You really just sort of slept for seven days. You didn’t go on any of the excursions. You weren’t at the beach much with us. You came to Jamaica, and you didn’t do anything.” It sort of hit me that this is sort of a sign of burnout that I started reading about many years ago.

So, I wasn’t really good at it, to be honest, but at least I identified it. And the meaning of my book is to first diagnose your burnout and then find a way to treat it. So, I was terrible at it, initially. But my passion was travel and I was in Jamaica, I didn’t really do much, but I always love to travel. So, what I’ve decided is, “I have to develop a hobby outside of work.” It really became travel. And at this point, I’ve been to over 60 countries, and I love it. And because I started to find balance in my personal life, with interpersonal relationships, and also hobbies, I then started to enjoy my career again. So, that’s like the first step to diagnosing burnout and treating it, is identifying it and developing mechanisms to achieve balance.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah, man, I love that so much. And you’re 100% right. I ended up selling my business. I had an apparel printing business after I graduated college and all the way up until 2020. I found myself burning out in 2016. And at that point, I’d been doing it for almost 10 years, because I started in college, and I was doing apparel printing for — man, I mean, we started with my university, printing for the local school. And then it went all the way up to like printing for Nike and Brand Jordan and it got stressful. Like you said, like, we’re a production team. So, we have to produce things.

So, you’re there at midnight, you’re there at 4 AM. Obviously, this is nothing like what you were going through, but in a way, it was my mistress, right? And that click came when my father – my father used to come and hang out with me at the shop, which I love and he would like paint and do all these things. He’s somebody I very much admire, and unfortunately, he was visiting Iraq and passed away tragically just from a heart attack. Like I said, he had medical conditions and all these things. And that moment in 2016, I knew I threw my hands up in my business because everything at that point just started plummeting in a unique way. I knew I needed to change something, right? And it was that moment that like you said, it was like diagnosing. I just didn’t feel like doing it anymore. I didn’t feel like going. I didn’t feel like emailing people and I’m tired. I feel lazy, but I’m not, I’m still working, but it’s not me, right? I’m not excited to be here.

In that moment, I realized what I really want to do is things like this, meet people, travel, and speak, and write, and practice my own art and paintings, and I just wasn’t there. So, realizing that, I started taking those small steps towards doing things outside of the print shop, and then realizing like, “Okay, I got to make a deal here. I gotta sell this thing, and do what I really want to do.” So, you bring that up and that’s really — and even now, outside of this, I have boxing classes. On specific days, I hang out with buddies, because I really want to ensure that I want to have longevity in what I want to do. And in order to do that, you gotta create something outside of what you normally do and you’re 100% right. I love that.

So, talk about burnout and the healing process. And then you started this work called THE TRAVEL DOCTORS. Can you share a little bit about combining this passion of travel, but then this sort of businessman, sort of part of you that starts to emerge a little bit later in your career? Can you talk about that a little bit?

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The Travel Doctors

Scott Cook: Sure. I had the idea in 2010, to create a medical practice without a building. So, no brick-and-mortar. There was no such thing at the time. My friends thought I was totally crazy, like, “Well, how will you see patients?” And my thought was, “Some of it will be telemedicine,” so seeing patients over video or phone and that was really pre-telemedicine. So, it sounded crazy, but I thought it was something that was going to be the future. So, I created a company called THE TRAVEL DOCTORX with an X on the end like a prescription. That was a solo practice, where I would do some telemedicine, I would travel around to different hospitals, and see patients. I would go to other facilities like nursing homes. I would go to addiction medicine centers. I would even make house calls. So, I would travel. And it became so busy that I had to hire a bunch of other doctors and nurse practitioners and I changed the name to THE TRAVEL DOCTORS with an S on the end, plural.

It really grew, it was a great business idea. We’re still operating today in multiple states, but mostly in Pennsylvania, where I reside. And it was one of those ideas where I was just inspired to do it, and think that we were sort of ahead of the curve some, because telemedicine really started to pick up in 2012 and even more so during the pandemic. I mean, who would have thought a pandemic would come? But I just felt like it was a niche in medicine that hadn’t been filled, and I thought it was an opportunity to help more people. I think most ideas, even writing a book for people who are listening, and maybe they want to write a book, you’ve written books, I think you have to have it come from a pure place.

So, with business or writing a book, anything you want to do, if you’re truly inspired, and your main goal is not financial, it’s really to provide something to humanity and give back, I think it’s hard to not at least have some measure of success.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Right. And you know, what’s powerful? I love that you shared that because I feel like they are seeds for what’s to come. And at the moment in time, like you starting these telecommunications – it was very early on, right? 2009, 2010. We’re not using Zoom yet. We’re not using FaceTime yet, not as much as we do, obviously, today. But there are early seeds that get planted, and for me, it’s always like something that comes through you. It’s like the idea chooses a person and the thought process that could potentially plant it in a way that it will grow within that person or within their team, and that’s the beauty of ideas, is that they roam this universe, seeking people like you and I, to further plant them into reality. I think, you have to kind of, like you said, have a pure place in your heart or in your mind or in your soul or in your body, that has this in a way communication with the unseen, right? The place where we derive ideas.

I think it’s so clear that you are in tune with that, it seems like, perhaps it was your mom from the other side. I think for me, I feel my father all the time speaking to me and wanting me to plant seeds, because you don’t know how it’s going to unfold. But look how it unfolded. Right? It’s like, the universe knows what’s going to happen, but it also sort of hires the right people to prepare for what is going to happen in a unique way. I don’t know if I’m saying that correctly. But I think you know what I mean.

Pay Attention to Your Senses

Scott Cook: I think you said it beautifully. I think people who read the book and people who are listening, we really have to think about, why do we have impulses? I have several chapters on senses. Sight, touch, feel smell. And my question in the book is, why do we have senses? What’s the reason? The purpose of senses is to convey information, to either inspire you or protect you. So, if a person feels compelled to do something, you have to ask yourself, “Why at maybe a young age does a person feel like they shouldn’t be doing something?” And throughout their life, they get these nudges in a certain direction. And then in the end, maybe they do something that’s great and they remember back, “Well, I just always felt like this was something I was supposed to do.

I would encourage people to pay attention to these senses, but it’s like a double-edged sword, because at times, people feel compelled to do something that is in an area where they don’t really have objective talent. So, I’m very sort of realistic in the book and honest with people that you need to feel passion, you need to be inspired, but you also have to have objective talent, not subjective. So, subjective talent is what we think of ourselves and we all know somebody who maybe thinks they can sing great, and they’re always singing at events and gatherings. But everybody listening is sort of going through the pain of hearing a voice that really is not up to par. So, the person thinks they can sing, but they’re not really objectively told by others, “Hey, you’re great.” So, I think we do need to have people analyze our abilities and give us feedback and we really need to pay attention to that as well.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah, that’s so profound. Watching my father — and I’m going to tie it back into the senses, and I’m glad you brought that up. Watching my father paint and literally save our lives from that refugee camp, he had this really beautiful, innate ability to always make me question. It says in the Quran, Allah, God, gave us the senses and he said, “I gave you senses in order to question your reality.”

Scott Cook: Wow. I’ve never even heard that verse from the Quran. That’s beautiful.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah, it’s such a beautiful and deep quote, and I’m paraphrasing here, right? And so, my dad was always trying to get me to question him, the world, everything, my responsibility, whatever it was. And he said, “To question things is not a bad thing. It’s to inform you. Question to understand, not question to judge.” And there’s a huge difference. So, for me, it was like, how do I grow my talents? Well, question them. Are they good? Analyze them. Ask people, “Is this good? How can it be better?”

So, it’s like, yes, you can become a good singer, you can become a phenomenal artist, or in your case, an amazing doctor that provides remarkable service to our humanity. But objectively, you still have to learn. You have to go through a process. You have to go through a rigorous process in order to enhance your senses. So, when you feel someone’s hand, when you make that eye contact, when you come into a room, you feel an energy. You have to enhance those senses and calibrate them in a way that pushes your profession further and pushes you into that space of value, even deeper. I just love that you touched on senses in such a beautiful way, because I feel like we don’t pay attention to our own sensibilities. So, I’m glad you brought that up.

Scott Cook: It’s so beautiful what you said about your dad, and I want to go back to that in terms of painting and talent and saving you from a refugee camp. Just think of that. Why was he inspired to have this talent blossom? Maybe that’s one of the reasons, and I got goosebumps when you said it. It’s these things that you really feel, but the objective, the questioning your dad talked about, and learning to accept constructive criticism, that’s a huge part of the book.

And the reason is this. At times, if you can’t do that, you’re really going to hurt yourself. And my example is even the book. So, I had it edited by lots of people, but the main editing group was Scribe Media. When I turned it in, I thought, “This book is amazing. It was perfect. It was great.” And then I got feedback from professionals, they said, “It’s okay, it’s good. It has potential, but you need to do like these 20 things.” And we’re all a little prideful. So, I’m like, “Oh, my book is great. And I’m not going to do any of these things.” But then I reread what their comments were. I’m like, “They have a good point here.” And now, when I look at the end product, I now see the original product was probably less than okay, it was, “Eh.” But now it’s really good, I believe, but it was because of help from people who have talent, and who gave me constructive criticism, but I was open to listen to it.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah, exactly. I love that so much. The amazing team at Scribe is, I always tell people, they’re on your team, right? And your team is not there to just make you look good. They’re there to help you become great. And that’s the difference is that they’re challenging you in a way and that’s, of course, going to brush up on your ego. It’s going to brush up on your pride. It’s like, “What do they know?” It’s not about what they know or what they don’t know. It’s, how can you relate what in a way that’s beautiful and unique to the reader? That’s so different and powerful and that’s what makes them great, right? As editors, as people who are on your team trying to make an amazing product.

Man, I feel like I can talk to you for the rest of the day, to be honest with you. This is a great conversation. So, tell me a little bit more about how you identified this sort of phenomenon. You bring forth Charlie and Charles. Can you speak on that a little bit and share with our audience what that’s about and how it’s woven throughout the book?

Scott Cook: Great question. So, when I had the idea to write a book, it was sort of like, when you have an idea to build a house. My first idea was, “I want to write a book and I want it to be about my life,” just like someone says, “I want to build a house.” But if I just told my life story, I’m not really a famous person, and I don’t know that somebody on the West Coast, when I live on the East Coast, so what I’m talking about, they might not understand the geography and lessons from my life. So, my life story wasn’t enough.

And then the second stage of building a house is you need a blueprint. So, my idea was, “Well, I need to have a blueprint,” and my blueprint was, I’m going to create brain exercises that people have to do as they read the book, and it’s going to help their brains develop and think. The next stage of building a house is the foundation. And the foundation of my book, I thought, “I’m going to create two characters, Charlie and Charles.” And I don’t want to give too much away because I think it’s important for the reader to sort of see it from a naive lens, where they hadn’t been too exposed to it. But basically, you’ll learn about this character, I’ll just say, Charlie, as you read the book, and it’s going to remind you of either yourself or someone in your work environment, and it’s very profound how the story unfolds.

And then the next component of building a house is sort of like the architecture component, and the architecture component in the book is a talk about diseases in the human body, and explain how they’re the exact same diseases that can happen in your career, and that’s done in a fun and interesting way. And then the last component of a house is like the roof or something that protects it and that’s the hip hop sort of lyrics that are woven throughout the book. But the real foundation is the character or characters that you’ll get to meet, and it’s an interesting way to think about life.

You talked earlier about the number two. I put in place of the word to, T-O. And the reason I do that is we usually have two choices in life of how we can respond to any crisis, and the characters kind of help define that.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: So powerful, it’s so powerful, because it brings forth your knowledge and wisdom in a way that’s digestible. That’s, I don’t want to say easy, but in a way, easy to consume, right? Easy for me to understand, because you’re trying to make really beautiful connections and points between what it’s like to have a disease within your body and in your work culture, or in your career, and identifying those two like, you know your body the best and if you don’t know your body, you gotta get to know it.

Scott Cook: 100%.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: The more you know your body, the more you can understand your environment, the work culture, the people. I think that’s such a beautiful connection. I think, for me, it’s so profound how you’re able to connect the human body to our unique understanding, and then connecting it to these two stories, and then the idea of two, it’s so simple. Man, in a way, you kind of wrote your own hip-hop song. There are so many layers to that, and I love that. So, tell me how hip-hop inspired you. I know – this is a for me question. I’m just curious as to how hip hop has sort of inspired you and why you chose to weave lyrics and inspirational artists throughout your book?

More Inspiration, More Hip Hip

Scott Cook: That’s the best question I’ve ever been asked because it really gets to the point of why I’ve done everything that I have done in my career. So, hip-hop really saved my life. It’s like rock’n’roll years ago to a different generation. I have a line in the book where I say, “The first time I heard Rapper’s Delight, I fell in love with rap music. But the first time I heard Sucker MCs by Run DMC, I fell in love with hip-hop.” And I hear Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali, two of my heroes talking about their attraction to Islam, they said it was like, light being shined into a dark room. That’s how I felt when I heard hip-hop. It was the news of my community, true stories that weren’t being told on the news. It was done to a beat. It was cool. It was independent. It was developed, as we say, in my hood, from the mud. I mean, it just came from the hood, a unique art form that now has transformed the world.

So, it was just such a powerful movement at the time, it pushed me to just be successful in my own space, and in my own endeavors. Hip-hop guys were maybe talking about different things, and I was on an academic track, but I used it as my fuel to kind of keep going when my gas tank would get low. And I would say, lastly, certain businessmen in hip-hop, they were so successful in creating these independent models. It’s how I patterned my career. So, Jay-Z couldn’t get a record deal. He had to create his own record company. Sean “P. Diddy” Combs, same thing. These people were creating their own companies, so they could provide their service and become successful, and that’s why I did exactly what I did. I had to go in my own direction and it was not a common path in medicine. But it was the path I had to create. So, hip-hop inspired me to be successful and do that, and not take no for an answer.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: That’s so powerful. I mean, when you say, “This was the fuel in my tank,” I can’t relate to you more. I mean, I feel like, doing late nights in school, listening to Tupac, Jay-Z, whatever, it was a sense of, “I’m on my path to making it. This is my art and I am perfecting that by putting my time in, my energy in,” and they were the background beat. In a way, I felt like they were singing the anthem to my own sort of journey, right? My hero’s journey. When I grow to meet people like you, and people like them in different industries, I get excited because we share those commonalities. We share an anthem, the beat to our own journeys was manifested, and feeling inspired. I mean, I started my whole printing company and t-shirts and I have a thing called Refutees where we give back to the refugee community.

Scott Cook: I love it. I love that name.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: It came from that, right? It came from this urge to want to do our own thing and build our own things, and give back to our own communities, and highlight our people’s stories. Also, of course, the byproduct of that is inspiring others, inspiring the next generation, whatever it may be. I love that so much, man. Writing a book is a huge accomplishment. So, congratulations to you. I think your book is needed now, more than ever. I’m so glad you sat down and made it happen for all of us. I know I’ll be going through and devouring it, hopefully, this weekend. So, for all the people out there grinding away, what’s your message to them? What’s one takeaway from the book that you want them to have?

Scott Cook: Well, I think balance in life is important. Number one, if you feel inspired, you should do something. And at times, what you feel inspired to do is something you need to do. And what do I mean by that? Rapper Nas has a line where he says, “I am a graphic classic song composer, music notes on cheeks, I wrote this piece to get closure.” So, he was talking about music. But for me, same thing. I wrote the book to get closure. I felt like it was something I had to get out, it was something I had to give, and it was very cathartic. So, follow your passions. If you’re inspired to write a book, start now. There are people who have been saying they’re going to write a book for 10 years and they haven’t started. All you have to do is get started in terms of writing a book, changing your career, going in another direction. Do it thoughtful, but just start.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yes, 100%. I love that so much. It’s that fear, that fear is actually not preventing you, it’s actually wanting you to do it. My father, he had a hard time teaching me that. It took me a long time to learn it. I didn’t even really learn it until after he passed. But the idea of look, there’s always going to be a fear, a voice in your head that’s telling you that you shouldn’t do something. But in actuality, it’s telling you should lean into it. It’s a weird mistranslation, because that fear is ancient, and you are modern. So, you need to recognize how you can translate that voice.

So, yes, if you have been sitting on that idea, that thing that you’ve been wanting to do for years, maybe just reverse what the fear is trying to tell you, and maybe that’ll help you go in that direction. I appreciate that so much, Dr. Scott Cook. I mean, man, like I said, I could talk to you for days. Thank you for sharing the stories though and experiences in your book, The Prescription to Heal Your Career: A Treatment Plan for Individuals & Organizations. Besides checking out your book, where can people find you?

Scott Cook: Sure. I can be located at bookdrcook.com.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Bookdrcook.com. I love that. Are you also on LinkedIn?

Scott Cook: I am on LinkedIn and I can be found there. I have a Facebook page also that is The Travel Doctorx.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: I love that. Well, thank you so much for joining me today. I had an amazing conversation. Again, I learned so much. It was just an absolute pleasure. Thank you for coming on today.

Scott Cook: I appreciate you. Thank you so much.