February 8, 2023

The Everyday Warrior: Mike Sarraille, Brian Gordon, George Silva, and Jason Boulay

We all strive for a life of purpose and fulfillment, yet, few achieve it, why? Because it’s hard. Relationships, careers, physical fitness: they all take effort. Despite our best intentions, it’s easy to lose focus.

Welcomed back to the Author Hour Podcast. I’m your host Hussein Al-Baiaty and I’m joined by Michael Sarraille and the coauthors of The Everyday Warrior: A No-Hack Practical Approach to Life. Let’s get into it.

All right everyone, welcome back to the show. My name is Hussein Al-Baiaty and today, I’m joined by four incredible people, starting with Mike Sarraille, I got Jason, George, and Brian with me as well. This is the first time I’ve done such a huge group interview but I’m super excited because this book is robust. The book is called The Everyday Warrior: A No-Hack, Practical Approach to Life. Thank you all so much for joining me today, I really appreciate your time.

Michael Sarraille:  Thanks for having us.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah, absolutely. So, your little group of individuals have done some remarkable things, which you all decided to come together and put a book together. But before we get into the book and the journeys that you’ve all been on, I’d like to give our audience a little bit of a background about each one of you, just a quick one, two-minute brief of where you grew up and perhaps, one person that has inspired you or motivated you to go in the direction that you’re on today. We’ll start with Mike and then we’ll bounce around the table, that sound good?

Michael Sarraille:  Love it. I’ll kick this off. So Mike Sarraille, born and raised in the Bay Area, California, enlisted in the United States Marine Corps shortly after high school and a very, very short stint in college, became a recon Marine, a scout sniper, and then eventually switched over to the SEAL teams, retired out of the military after 20 years, did 10 combat deployments and then jumped into the business world, which I am only about five years retired now.

So I’m still very much learning this new profession, which is kicking my ass, but I’m having fun. That’s what life’s about, you just keep learning, don’t repeat the same mistake twice, and been working with Men’s Journal on their Everyday Warrior initiative. I did write a book called The Talent War: A Special Operations in Great Organizations Win on Talent. From that, I started a leadership development and executive search firm and the one person that’s influenced my life, I wrote about in the book.

His name was Michael Monsoor, he was a Navy SEAL. He jumped on a grenade three feet from me and saved my life and he was previously awarded the Medal of Honor. So even in his death, I still continue to learn from him. Recently, a book was written called, Defend Us In Battle, which is his life story.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Thanks for sharing, Mike. Jason, what about you?

Jason Boulay: I’m an Army veteran, father of three boys, lifelong New Englander. I earned my college degree in life and I started a job at United Way of Rhode Island where my boss and mentor, Sandy Connor, put me in the direction of writing. I’d always loved writing but it wasn’t until college and until that first job where I really found a passion for it, and for telling stories and crafting narratives.

Yeah, and now I, with Mike and George, write articles for The Everyday Warrior, Men’s Journals, and help people pursue their goals and define their own definition of success.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Thanks for joining Jason. George, talk to me.

George Silva: Well first, I have to thank you for not forcing me to go after Mike because my resume is not quite as robust as his.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Oh, we’re not comparing man, we’re just here hanging out.

George Silva: I grew up in a teeny tiny little town called Krum, Texas. After I graduated, I had a few opportunities to go off to college to play baseball but, and because of my lack of direction at my younger years, those opportunities weren’t able to pan out. So I ended up joining the Navy almost right out of high school, like seven days, eight days after high school, with the intent to play baseball in the Navy.

That’s what the recruiter told me, anyway. I did have an opportunity but 9/11 happened while I was going through, in Navy, what we call A-school. So I got to my first command, I’m like, “Hey, I’m here, here’s my package to play baseball” and my chief laughed at me and told me to get out of his office, and then some colorful language, “We’re just going to take a quick trip to Iraq.” And so that happened.

So, I had a couple of combat tours over in Iraq, nowhere near 10 combat tours but a couple of pretty meaningful ones. I was with the Marine EOD unit out of Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. I retired after 20 years in the military and Mike and I connected and he was like, “Hey man, I want you to come on and do this thing with me.”

I said, “Okay,” and he didn’t give me much information about it but sometimes in life, you just have to be willing to jump. You have to be willing to go into something that you have no idea what the outcome’s going to be, and it always turns out amazing.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Powerful.

George Silva: Oh, probably, you know who influenced me, that was a question, my family. They continue to influence me every single day from my father to my wife and my kids, who I want to be is all because of them.

Brian Gordon: Yeah, I’m the outlier. Non-military, although I always grew up with a real appreciation for everybody who serves, like you, Hussein. I grew up in Northern California like Mike, Sacramento. My journey is a little more, maybe “normal.” I went to school down in Santa Barbara at University of California Santa Barbara, lived in LA, got a job, didn’t like it, got another job, I didn’t like it, and my dad came down, I’ll never forget, it’s one of those stories I always tell.

Came down, I always want to be a stockbroker, I thought that was where I day-traded my way through college and figured out how to make money. And got a job as a stockbroker, took my test, tier seven, tier 63, it was a kid like living the dream and I fucking hated it. It was the worst job I ever had.

I did bus boy, I did coffee carts, I worked at the library in college. I always worked and it was awful and I felt this horrible feeling of failure and, “God, am I going to quit this job?” One of my parents, my dad, came down and we had dinner and he very simply said, “Look, do not agonize over making decisions, it’s a waste of time. You make the decision and you move on, and you attack whatever is next and if this isn’t for you, make the decision, now it’s over and you go do something else.” And I never forgot that.

I think people tend to agonize over decisions and, “What do I do?” And they talk to 10 people and sometimes that’s good, it’s therapeutic. But ultimately, you just keep pressing forward. So I ended up moving to Manhattan in ‘99. Found my way into brand marketing, entertainment marketing, sports marketing, and by 2004, I started my first company, sold that company in 2012.

Started another one, sold that company in 2015, and realized, at heart, I was an entrepreneur. And you learn a lot of the lessons we talk about in Everyday Warrior. As an entrepreneur, man, you’re continually getting beat up and knocked down, you got to try new things, you got to try to be different, and figure out whatever your niche is. I met my wife right away after I moved to New York in ‘99, Jersey girl, which is why I live in Jersey.

And 21 years after that, well, 23 years after that, I’m married for 21 years, three kids, like I said, I have a little bit more than normal journey, right? Job, entrepreneur, wife, kids, family, the whole thing. Like George, it’s funny, I learned everything from my parents and I think so much of it, you don’t even, it’s not conscious while you’re learning and now, as a father, I have three boys, 17, 16, 13, and I don’t think they listen to anything I say.

But deep down, I know they do and so, my parents just, they were, my dad is an educator, public education, 50 years, he’s still working at 76 as a superintendent in Sacramento. My mother was an author, self-taught, picked up a book one day, and said, “I think I could write these romance novels.” Believe it or not, I never read one. That’s nasty. Well, I never read one. All my friends used to tease me.

She’s probably had 32 novels, and they’re like, “How could you never read one?” And I’m like, “I’m going to read a book about romance that’s coming out of my mom’s head. No, I’m good.” So maybe writing was in my blood a little bit. So yeah, I learned everything from them, I’ll have ended up in a very, very different sort of entrepreneurial business place than they did but fundamentally, the lessons in this idea of not quitting and driving forward, and a lot of things we talk about really came from them.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Man, that’s so powerful and the reason I ask, not only is it where we grew up and how we grew up that determines these paths that we need up falling into and going into but really the people. I think for me, I watched my dad paint remarkable things, remarkable people, he quite literally saved our lives from the refugee camp at which at one point we lived in.

But he taught me some amazing things that I didn’t know I was learning. That’s the thing, you don’t really realize the things until later on of course. But I grew up, man. I was painting the Michael Jordans, all these beautiful figures that I look up to, the Malcolm X. And after he passed, man, it took me like two, three years to get back into painting, and that was my cathartic way of just dealing.

And the first thing that I painted was him and it was sort of my gateway back into expressing myself, but that was like, this is the actual character whom I‘ve always looked up to. All the celebrities, all these amazing people are great but this is the person that I actually learned things from. So, I always ask that question because everybody has that unique person in their life or unique group of people in their lives that leads them into the direction that they’re going to.

So thank you all for sharing, I appreciate that. I hope it gives a general idea of who you all are and how you all came together. But in your book we talk a lot about today, we were briefly talking about it before we got on and we talked about this idea of confusion, of hacking our way through life and making things efficient and creative, and all those good things.

As human beings, we’re always looking for ways, of course, to improve ourselves, to make more money, to get a bigger house, build a bigger business, whatever it is, nicer body. But I feel like the word hack is being way overused around things that we shouldn’t necessarily be hacking and obviously, when we try to hack those kinds of things especially, like for me, the emotional trauma, things that – there’s just no way around them. You got to deal with things.

But your book really hones in on this idea. How do you all, as a Navy SEAL and people in the military and as entrepreneurs, where does this idea of the everyday philosophy meet this wanting to hack our way through life idea, and where is the bridge? Where can we be efficient but also practice all the ideologies that you all practice so well through the everyday warrior philosophy?

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The Everyday Warrior Philosophy

Michael Sarraille:  I’ll take first crack at this and then I’ll turn it over to the boys. So The Everyday Warrior philosophy really comes from my past life, and I would like to think I was a warrior in the traditional sense. That’s not for me to decide, that’s for the men and women that I served with to decide. But in the military and the professional arms, there are warfighters and warriors, and they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive.

You can be both a warfighter and a warrior and that’s the goal. Warfighters are trained in the art of war but not all warfighters become warriors. Men and women of integrity, of character, that have these set of attributes. I had the pleasure serving, let’s just say, the joint special operations command, which is the most elite military units in the world, where the most lethal warriors in the world are and people paid them the wrong way.

And actually, the most lethal warriors I served with are the most kind, empathetic, respectful people that you’ve ever met. Do they have the ability to do evil things to evil people? Yes. But these were fathers, these were husbands, these were sons. And what was unique about them, and then I think why the four of us came together and wrote this book is, we’ve all had warriors, mentors, and influences in our life and this book is less about us and it’s about those mentors that we had.

The book is written from observations of what really high-performing, good human beings did on a day-to-day basis. And you say things like the hack. I think, you know what? Technology is great. Nobody here is going to say that technology does not make our lives easier. It does but it starts to permeate into your mindset. You always started looking for the hack. Well, with these warriors that we wrote about, they always made the hard decisions.

Hard decisions lead to an easy life. They never took the shortcut. They never, especially when lives are on the line in the profession of war, when you take shortcuts, that’s when people get hurt. You can’t buy fitness, you can’t buy health, and if you want a hack, the only hack that you are going to attain is through repetition in extremely positive habits, that’s the only hack I know of. And let me open it up to the boys.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Absolutely.

Jason Boulay: I think it was really interesting to hear these guys talking about experiences in the military, and that the most elite level of the military. And then you apply them to civilian life and it’s the same principles, it’s the same mindset, it’s the same ideas that lead to success. And I think one of the really important things for us was to help define success for people as whatever it was that was going to make them feel fulfilled.

And it could be making money, it could be getting fit, it could be spending time with your kids, it could be just getting by. And that, I think, as we were going through the book, was our north star, which is, “How do we help people fight their way through life?” And yeah, we talked about high-performing individuals and we had stories from the military, but we really tried to just find out what the essence of that success was, to be able to apply to anybody was doing anything and I think, just one commonality is, it’s always hard.

Everything’s hard. That was the fundamental, simplest part of doing this book was, life is hard. Getting up every day and dealing with life and dealing with your job and dealing with your kids and whether you have challenges or are in a relationship, I have an unbelievable relationship with my wife. I’m blessed, she’s amazing, 21 years married but there’s days we fight.

There’s days we struggle, and this idea just not giving in and not trying to find the hack of working through things, and figuring out where you want to go and how do you get there, and I think this idea just accepting that things are hard and that you can’t hack your way thought it is really this fundamental principle for which all these lessons that we have in the book are built on.

Brian Gordon: I agree with that. I think the idea, the hack is you’re trying to get to the end, you’re trying to get to the result and when you do that, you miss the journey. You miss all the lessons that come along with that and the things you pick up that make that success last, and to make it real and tangible. So giving in to technology and warping the mindset and go, “Got to get to the end, got to get to the end,” you miss a whole journey of life and that’s a major issue.

Michael Sarraille:  Let me say one more thing here. I know the guys will agree with me, is when we wrote this book, I think sometimes people write books, and this is not a knock to commercialize a mindset or things along those lines, and the last thing we wanted to do was speak from the pulpit as if we’ve got this figured out. Part of being a warrior is a mindset.

I remember meeting Brian. Brian, I don’t know if you remember this, but I said, “You are a warrior within your respected profession.” A single mom of two kids, grinding every day is more of a warrior than some of the men I served with that are trained in war. We, the four of us collectively, are still trying to figure this out this thing called life and anyone who says they’ve got it figured out, I will go against wholeheartedly.

You have to evolve and that’s what warriors do. Some warriors can be dogmatic, we don’t want to be dogmatic. No one is the same person that they were one month ago, a year ago, five years ago, and warriors know that growth in learning is a lifelong process. So by writing the book, we didn’t want to declare ourselves subject matter experts, and writing this book was very cathartic for the four of us as well, looking back on our lives and determining how we’re going to live moving forward.

George Silva: As a matter of fact, Mike, you actually mentioned that. I remember whenever you came up with that idea, you said, “This book alone will not change your life nor will any other book or seminar or whatever the case is. It’s the book in combination with action.” And I think that The Everyday Warrior philosophy, in my mind, everything requires work. Everything, right?

So the title of the book, The Everyday Warrior, it provides a framework, because we all have battles every single day. Every single one of us has battles every single day that we have to fight, and that’s what makes us warriors.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Man, I love this so much and again, I mentioned this earlier, I give a ton of love and respect for the men and women that serve, but we all serve our daily lives differently. How we come to those battles really shapes up who we ultimately become. And I was young, man. So 9/11, I was freshman in high school, again, a name like Hussein, I am growing up in America.

I have just been gone a few years prior, just made it to America from the Gulf War, shit we had nothing to do with. But we just ended up in this madness. However, it is a gift and a curse because the gift was I got to grow up here but I remember, I came home that day and I’m like, “Dad, what the… what does Jihad mean? This is something that’s being thrown around right now. I don’t even know what it means.”

My dad said, “It means holy war. But the holiest of all wars is the one within, the battle that you have to face every day.” The one that when somebody throws slurs at you, how do you hold yourself and ground yourself and not engage and make yourself look horrible? Or being confrontation or… I think he said, “Everything will unfold.”

And currently, this is why I was so excited to talk with all of you, currently the book I am writing now is about that internal war that we have, the battles that we face. And like you said, whether it’s a mother of four, anyone that’s out here in the world just trying to make their life just a little bit better, it is an everyday battle. So I can’t agree with you all more because I feel like since that time in my life until today, I’ve really had to face my own internal battle with the one that’s happening outside.

Really come to terms with who I am, genuinely, as a person of peace and love and kindness and generosity, and not allow this exterior façade to determine for people who I am. That was a really big one for me and I think over time, I realized that I am going through this battle and I have to become my own warrior, and the way I do it is through art, through self-expression, and helping others do that as well because that’s healing.

So I think for me, writing my first book was completely cathartic and just super. And so now, everyone I meet, I’m like, “You got to write a book. You got to do something like that because it helps you heal.” So we’re talking about that, what was the process like for you all pulling this book together? What’s one thing that you felt surprising about the book writing process and that journey?

The Book Writing Process

Jason Boulay: For me it was how the team really worked together and everybody had their input, and we discussed topics and went back and forth and argued our points, and really how open Mike was to that and to hearing us out and listening to the team, and putting together something that really represented us as a group.

George Silva: You know, it’s funny, when we first started this whole process, I was not even supposed to be part of the book. That goes back to what Jason said earlier and what we had talked about in the book about the journey and the destination. We always look forward to the destination and we forget it’s really the journey that makes the destination great. It is the journey that makes life great. It’s the journey.

Mike just completed the Triple 7 and you know, during the planning process, that was fun. It was energetic. And Triple 7 is this thing where Mike jumps seven planes in seven days. You know, the planning process of the book, it was fun and planning process of anything is really fun. Going through it, that’s what’s amazing. That’s what you remember.

When you finally do get to the destination, at the end of the book or at the end of Triple 7, you look back on that and you think about all the funny times and all the hard times. And so for me, doing this book really just comes down to the journey and how fun of an experience it was.

Brian Gordon: The group part of it was fantastic. I think one of the things we talked a lot about before we really started on the book was that society coming out of COVID and civil unrest that was happening in this country, and there’s a lot of divisiveness that was going on that was really having an impact on people, and it felt like a really important time to try to put something like this out there, to help people figure out in their own way how to deal with that.

I think having people from different walks of life, who grew up in different places, who had different life experiences talking about their perspectives, and again realizing that you can distill that down to things that we all have in common as people. And Mike and I look on the surface, we come from totally different place, although we’re both white males, so I’d say we start there, right?

Where we went after that was really, really different, and I think it was amazing to see. And it is sort of iconic of what we talk about in the book of we are so much home, we’re alike, and we achieve success in the same way, and if we lead a life of purpose and if we lead a life that’s built on achieving success, not at the expense of others but in partnership with others, wow, what a great place this would be.

So I think just figuring out how our life experiences somehow could get distilled down into things we all really agreed on and felt were important, and try to hopefully see that other people could see the same thing, that was a really fun part for me of going through the process, and I think eye-opening and I hope people read it. I hope they agree, I hope it resonates with people that don’t look like us or come from where we came from because these are universal themes and concepts that we hope help people.

Michael Sarraille:  Hussein, we talk a lot about journaling because that has been very critical in all four of our lives, and it is part of our reflections process and our learning and growth process. So you could really view this project and this book as journaling on a grander scale. And then also, one of the things we talk heavily about in the book is the concept of tribes. I find very little pleasure in personal achievements if it’s not with my brothers and sisters that I hold dear.

When I wrote this book and we came together, it’s a no-brainer. It’s amazing what we can accomplish when we are part of a team. That doesn’t mean agreement, we were not always in agreement, but we’re always in alignment of what we wanted to give to other people, and I think we all believe in plagiarism and let me explain that there’s nothing plagiarized in this book.

What I mean by that is, Brian would give his philosophy or Jason or George would give his philosophy on a certain component of life, or maybe we were talking about an attribute or maybe we were talking about best practice to living a fulfilling life, and I would look at George, Jason or Brian and say, “Hey, do you mind if I take that as my own?” And, of course, the answer was, “Absolutely.” Absolutely, that’s the whole point.

Everyone has a story to tell and it’s almost, oh, it’s an insult to keep that information to yourself. If I’ve got good information that I think can benefit somebody else, I’m going to say it and ultimately, that person will determine if it’s value to them or not. But this concept of tribe especially, in such a world that, I should not say world even though it probably applies, but to a nation that is so divisive right now, kills us.

We have more in common than we have in difference and, as George said, the Triple 7, man, I could have went and done that by myself but I called 10 of my brothers, let’s do this together, much like with these guys in this book, because there is just so much more pride when you do it alongside what you consider to be the brotherhood or sisterhood or your family.

The Gift of Mindset

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Yeah, that’s really profound, man. We’ll go through real quick and I want to know for everyday people out there that are just going through life, whether they’re working on something creative or writing a book or taking care of their kids, whatever it is, they’re battling, they’re going through it. So what’s a mindset, and we’ll go through and just share one mindset that you would give to someone as a gift to hold on.

So that they can take that and use it as a tool, absorb it, and so when they go out in the world or they’re internalizing these things, what’s one thing that you would all share? It could all be the same thing or it could obviously all be different, because I kind of want to make them different but you have four tools as supposed to the one, but obviously, you guys go deep into this in your book, which is where I want to lead people to.

What would you say for you, Brian, what’s that one thing that you would share with that special avatar, that special someone that you hope they could take away from and really going to their battles and coming out the other side having felt good?

Brian Gordon: There’s a chapter on embracing failure and for me, books like this are written and people have preached all this stuff. A lot of times, everything feels absolute and it feels really intimidating. Mike talked about journaling and I am a failed journaler. I do it for a little while and then I fall off and I stop doing it and then I realize I’m better. I am more thoughtful, I am more productive when I do that.

Then I get back on, I do it again and then I always fall off again. And I think when we talk about embracing failure, yes, it could be, “I tried to start a company, I failed, and I learned and I’m going to try and do it again,” or it could just be, “I was going to work out today and I didn’t work out.” That doesn’t mean you can’t do it tomorrow or the next day. You give yourself permission to be human and to screw up and to fail and to not be perfect and to not be consistent.

I think a lot of times, when we say we’re going to do things and we start and we fail, that’s where we give up and we feel bad and we feel not worthy, whatever the heck it is. To work out once in a week is better than working out zero. So you know, good shit, you did once. Now, next week maybe you do twice. So I think this idea of accepting failure both in the grand sense and then in the most micro sense, to me, is the biggest gift that you could give somebody. And just letting it not be the end of whatever it is that you want to do, just try again the next day.

George Silva: So the failure chapter, it’s so powerful. The way it starts off, and I absolutely love it, and that’s how you build a warrior mindset is just one setback at a time, right? We put the word “ATTA” in there for a very specific reason. Brian and Mike and Jason and I, we started a company called ATTA. It’s meant to be whatever it is you want to make it as one blank at a time, one goal at a time, one step at a time, one failure at a time.

And so for me, thinking back to writing the book, we had to plan this. And in every single chapter was a step. Every single paragraph was a step. In chapter seven, we talked about one step at a time, how success isn’t bought, it’s earned. It really aligns with our ATTA brand. It is a mindset that people have to adopt. You are going to fail, period. Everyone has failed in their life.

I don’t care who you are, the first time you stood up to try to take a step, you fail. Everyone is going to fail, you have to get the negativity of failure out of your mind and you have to build a plan, and you have to achieve one step at a time to accomplish every single one of your goals in life. If you think of something as a whole instead of in little bitty chunks, little bitty steps, you’re going to fail.

Having the failure chapter in there and then coupling it with the one step at a time mindset, for me, that’s my favorite chapter because it equates to everything in life. There are really just three steps that you have to be able to obtain success, and you have to be able to properly plan. You have to be able to properly prepare and if you do those two things, then you should be able to execute.

That’s it, no matter what you have in life, whatever it is your goal is, if you can plan correctly, you can prepare correctly, you will be able to execute it. So the one-step-at-a-time chapter for me is my go-to.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: I love that. I love the ATTA. Jason, what do you think? The one thing you want to give away to someone?

Jason Boulay:I think mine goes very close to what George and Brian said, it’s that perfection is an illusion and pursuing progress or perfection. I think people are disillusioned now, celebrity culture, curated social media, there is this unattainable standard that people see and I think it’s too easy to try to compare yourself against that and never be able to live up to it.

So I think once you realize that, it’s a freeing thing and it allows you to start paying attention and focusing on what matters, which is pursuing the progress, making yourself the best, having the best life you can have, trying to achieve your definition of success, whatever that may be. It frees you from all of this stuff that doesn’t really matter and it allows you to put your focus where it should be.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Amazing, I love that. Yes, progress over perfection, man, let’s go. I love that. Michael, what do you think brother?

Michael Sarraille:  You know, I would say no one can define success for you but you and society naturally places a lot of sort of expectations upon you. If you’ve got to do this to be defined as a success or you’ve got to be this person, and that’s not true. I went to Navy SEAL training with a guy, first-generation Korean-American. His father was an alcoholic, was abusive, and his father had a very defined vision of what success meant.

This individual that I talk about went on to not only become a Navy SEAL, he was a Silver Star recipient, a Bronze Star recipient, he became a Harvard-educated doctor and eventually, became a NASA astronaut. I mean, the guy is super-human in a lot of ways and he did this all by the age of 34. But I interviewed him, and he is a good friend, later in life and he said he finally came to the realization that his definition of success did not align with his father’s, and he had to come to terms with that.

He had to define success on his own terms and then pursue that definition of success. So a lot of people don’t take the time to look inward and say, “What is success really mean to me?” Hey, if it’s money, I’m not saying that’s wrong. That may work for you. If it’s fulfillment, if it’s impact, if it’s purpose, then you have to ask yourself some hard questions and you really have to take time to sit down, and maybe sometimes to sit down not only by yourself but maybe you have a spouse, a husband or a wife, and have that conversation of what does success look like for us, what truly matters?

And a lot of people, and we talk about it in the book, a lot of people don’t take that time or go through that process.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: So powerful. I literally can’t agree with you all more. I feel like there are the three wise men, which we all know about, but I have four wise men in front of me and I’ve learned so much today. You’ve all reiterated so many beautiful important insights on how to really encapsulate and absorb the everyday warrior mentality and how you enact it out in the world.

The book is insanely powerful, jam-packed with stories, I highly recommend it. Michael and the rest of the gang, thank you all so much for your service, your sacrifice, your business ownership in helping our communities and the people that you bring onto those companies and organizations. I am super grateful to have just had the pleasure of just speaking with you all today and learning so much.

But I know this book is going to create an amazing ripple effect throughout the communities and the people that it will touch. So thank you all for getting together, arguing, bargaining, whatever it was that you did to bring all these ideas together because I am sure there is a lot left off the table, and I hope you all can come together for another one. The book is called The Everyday Warrior: A No-Hack Practical Approach to Life. Besides checking out the book where can people find you all?

Michael Sarraille:  You know for me, it’s mikesarraille.com, all of the other guys, go on the Men’s Journal, The Everyday Warrior, they can also find us there. Guys?

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Beautiful.

George Silva: For me, you can reach out to me at legacyexpeditions.net. There is an info button there, you can just click at it, the email will go directly to me. On Instagram, it’s @mr._george_silva. I had to put the mister because there was already another George there.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Love it, Brian?

Brian Gordon: Yeah, you could find me on LinkedIn. We talk about social media in the book, I’m not a big fan of social media and I don’t really frequent it but on LinkedIn, you could find me and it is pretty easy to just use my name, Brian Gordon.

Jason Boulay: I agree, on LinkedIn and I would direct people towards The Everyday Warrior on Men’s Journal. Read the content we’re putting up there and the articles, and it is a lot of actionable, good advice.

Hussein Al-Baiaty: Beautiful. Thank you all so much today for joining me. I appreciate your time, again, your service, much appreciated for my soul to all of yours. Thank you again, you guys are fantastic, man, keep doing amazing things. I appreciate it.