In her new book Fuckless: A Guide to Wild, Unencumbered Freedom, behavior scientist and lifestyle design coach, Gianna Biscontini guides women through the process of liberating themselves from the 10 archaic stifling expectations, AKA fucks, society has placed on them for over a century so that they can finally live life on their own terms. 

Through humor, storytelling, and healthy dash of behavioral science, you’ll learn step by step how to leave it all behind, dropping the beliefs that no longer fit and creating a new narrative about what it means to be female and what exactly life looks like from here.

Full of thoughtful questions, gut checking exercises, and interview content from both men and women, Fuckless stands out as a book with a mission to give women the applicable tools they need to change the way they show up in the world and to pour gasoline on the fire of the woman’s movement. 

Here’s my conversation with Gianna Biscontini.

Welcome to The Author Hour Podcast. I’m your host Benji Block, and today we’re joined by Gianna Biscontini who has just authored a new book titled, Fuckless: A Guide to Wild Unencumbered Freedom. Gianna, welcome into Author Hour.

Gianna Biscontini: Thank you so much for having me.

Benji Block: It’s great to have you here. Quite the title, and we’ll get to that in a second, but Gianna, you are a board-certified behavior analyst. You challenge women to overcome limiting narratives and fight for their rights to live interesting and authentic lives. That’s sort of like the one-sentence bio but go beyond that for a second; tell us a little bit about yourself and the lead up to writing this book.

Gianna Biscontini: Yes, I grew up really excited and interested in human behavior and really spent my entire life trying to figure out what makes us tick, and it’s just such a passionate interest of mine, so I have a background in psychology, counseling, and as you said, I’m a board-certified behavior analyst. I really spent a lot of time focused on why we do what we do and how our environments shape us and what the genetic play is, and I’m just trying to put those puzzle pieces together.

So, I had a lot of different careers to be honest, but yeah, I’ve worked with children with autism in a clinical setting. I’ve done research for healthcare. Now, I’m really in the executive coaching and lifestyle design space, and I have my own employee wellbeing company as well, just to help people evaluate what are the stressful variables within their environment and within their companies so that we can change them. 

It’s not always what we add; sometimes, it’s what we take away. So I touch a lot but at the end of the day, it’s really all about how do we sustainably change behavior in a way that’s not coercive but in a way that’s sustainable and enjoyable, and so leading up to this book, I just spent a lot of time thinking about behavior, and it was instigated one day in October 2019. I sat down to write a journal entry and it turned into this book, so it’s been a very wild ride so far.

Telling Our Stories

Benji Block: You started writing and you didn’t stop. So okay, it’s one thing to have that privately and be like, “Oh man, this is turning into something more,” but to take on a book project like, was this because COVID then hit and you had some extra time or what made it the stars align in a sense to make this the right time for this project?

Gianna Biscontini: I don’t know. Like I said, I sat down to write this, which I thought was your journal entry in October 2019 so it was well before the pandemic. I wrote the first five pages and I thought, “Wow, I have something here,” and I just kept writing as you said. Once the pandemic hit, I experienced a lot of professional challenges and personal trauma. I lost my father. I moved across the country. I lost my special needs dog to meningitis.

All of these things happen. I had some really toxic relationships and so everything really fell apart over two and a half years, which just happens to be the time period that I was writing this book, and I think, you know, looking back, I was really emotional and angry and proud and ambitious and excited and sad all at once, and it just got factored into this book and reiterated enough for it to become a guide book for not necessarily only women but specifically, women to guide themselves through life’s challenges, whether they are at the top of their game or really just starting to figure it out.

Benji Block: Okay, take me inside this title you talk about in the book about some of the pushback that maybe you received at first when you’re going with a title like Fuckless and in choosing to use the word “Fuck” over and over again throughout the book, but you felt like it was intentional.

I think it adds an element of passion when I read it, and I tell people often, when I go for a run or when I’m doing a hard workout and I just cuss at myself, there’s a huge benefit internally, and it wakes me up and I feel like this book brought on a similar feeling, I don’t know what – talk about the word choice there?

Gianna Biscontini: Yes, so you’re right, I did hear a lot of that. “You need to change the tittle, it’s not going to sell, people are uncomfortable,” and to be honest, my first reaction was, “Oh okay,” and I’m going to backpedal and I’m going to – I’m going to put it out into the world differently than intended and then I thought, “Fuck that. I mean, that’s not the point of the book, that’s the exact opposite of the book.” And especially women, you know, we’re put in these glass boxes we’ll talk about, be small and be less and be stifled and by me backpedaling and saying, “Okay, well what everybody else wants is more important than the book that I want to write,” is flying in the face of the concept of this book.

So, I really had to get right with myself and say, “Look, I’m going to say what I need to say,” and if you resonate with it, awesome. If it makes you feel naughty to have a book on your coffee table that has “Fuck” on it, great, and there is liberation in that for me to come back to people and say, “No, this is the title, let’s move on,” and people really respected that and said, “Okay, we’re writing Fuckless, let’s go, let’s publish, let’s market, let’s do all these things.” 

So you know, I love that Scribe was what opened it up first of all, and so yeah, I think that to dim down the fierceness and the rawness of the book, starting with the first thing that you see in the title, diminishes it right from the very beginning and that’s just not authentic to who I am or what I wanted for this book. Yeah, it’s just out there living its life.

Benji Block: It is. You just said a phrase that I really like. You said, “It would have dimmed the rawness,” and there’s something about even your personal journey where you talk about that where, when you were younger, you had the sense of fearlessness and freedom and being wild and then over time, I would use that phrase again, you felt this dimming of that rawness and you kind of draw from this well of your personal experience before then going to this list of the 10 fucks, right?

But let’s talk about your personal journey for a second around this waking up and take me through the process of maybe how you saw this dimming happened and then you’re waking up.

Gianna Biscontini: Sure. Yeah, you know, I think if we lack the skill to live from the inside out and authentically, we start to look to what others are doing and what others reward, right? In kids, we call it social referencing, right? A kid runs, they fall, they bust open their leg, they’re not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing so they look to their parents, right? 

The parents then go, “Oh no, you’re hurt, are you okay?” and then the kid bursts into tears or the parent can go, “Oops, you fell, let’s get a little band-aid and let’s move on.” And so, we social reference from kind of we’re born to look to those around us because everything is new and unfamiliar and we look to people around us to let us know what’s okay and what’s not okay, which is adaptive, we should do that, that’s a good thing.

But eventually, I think when you hit your late 20s, definitely in your 30s, maybe into your 40s, where you stop, you find, at least for me, it was a pause where I stopped and thought, “Oh my god, the stories that I tell myself about my abilities, about my sexuality, about my appearance, about my wants and needs, they’re largely constructed from voices that aren’t mine.” And again, it’s one of those things that’s adaptive in some situations but not adapted on other situations. 

So, as I started getting more reflective, I’ve had a meditation practice for years that allowed me to incur a very difficult circumstance in my life, and I just stopped and I sat on my couch and for once, I didn’t run away from it. I didn’t throw myself into work, I didn’t distract myself, and that was the story that my worth was predicated upon how much money my business was going to make.

Then I thought, “Where did that come from?” and “Oh my god, I’ve been following this for so long,” and I just sat on my couch and sat in it, and usually, we incur something uncomfortable or aversive, we want to avoid and run away. But, I really sat and made myself breathe through it, and I just knew that there was a lesson there, and that’s really what instigated months before I started writing Fuckless. 

That’s what kind of started this journey for me, and once I started pulling that thread, it was very harrowing but also really rewarding because I got to evaluate so many things in my life and think about, “Okay, I wasn’t born with that belief, is it true for me, where did it come from, and is it mine and is it still working for me?” Is it still helping me serve my goals or is it something that I know enough now to change to accommodate who I am?

Benji Block: I love how you define fucks. You say that there’s someone else’s stuff that they’re not yours, that they’re someone else’s fears, experiences, opinions, or thoughts, and they might derail you completely or may even just waste your time. You explore 10 of these, and you dug them up; you say an interview’s observations and your experience. Talk a little bit about that process of uncovering these 10?

Gianna Biscontini: Sure, I actually had 15 and then I had 20 and then I was like, “That’s so much.”

Benji Block: Got to trim this thing down.

Gianna Biscontini: Right, I got to make this palpable and tangible and digestible, and so I looked at patterns. I mean, I’m a board-certified behavior analyst, and so I’m highly trained to recognize patterns and I see things in patterns in boxes and I like to make them cohesive, and so, I sat and I just thought of all of my stories and all the stories from my girlfriends and from my family and friend, the men in my life and from my male colleagues and I thought about all these stories that come up for us, specifically for women. 

Once I started, I kind of coded all these stories. In research they do that, right? We take behaviors and say, “Okay, well, we’re going to code that in a box,” and so, exactly what I did. I dialed it down to these 10 fucks and they really are stories from society or from people who just really love us and they think that they’re giving us a gift by telling us, “Hey, just be small, don’t be too loud and kind of hang out in the corner because people don’t like a powerful woman.” And you go “okay” and that’s what you do, and they mean well, they really mean well.

Maybe it’s worked for them and it’s not going to work for you. Maybe it is working for you or it won’t in the future, and so it’s real important to evaluate these stories because they are – they’re heavy and they’re extremely limiting, and a lot of them are very gender-based. So, as I was uncovering these stories, I was like, “Oh, you know, I’m going to go interview people,” and the book was supposed to be a bunch of interviews from other people, which it is. 

But I use my own stories as a placeholder until I can properly tell other people stories and give it due credit, and I thought, “Oh my gosh, I have so many of these stories.” Under every single fuck, I have story, after story, after story, over decades and so, I think that’s when I knew I really had something because I’m not a special, unique person, and I thought, “If I have these stories, then most people have these stories.”

You Don’t Have to Be Small

Benji Block: So, you have this growing list and then you trim it down, you have 10, I’m going to ask you to dwindle it a little bit more because for the sake of a podcast, we obviously we won’t cover all 10, but I’d like to cover like three here. So what I thought is, I’d highlight a couple, and then I’ll have you pick one that I didn’t highlight, and I want to start right where the book starts and something you mentioned a couple of times already in our conversation, which is the first one.

This idea of being small. Give us a story that stands out to you around this fuck you’ve given, and women often give this idea of being small.

Gianna Biscontini: Yeah, so being small, it’s one of the biggest ones. Once I – as you said, once you see something that you kind of see it everywhere and once, I uncovered this one, eventually twofold, right? Be physically small and be vocally small, and so, I didn’t spend as much time on the “be physically small” because we all – we’ve all processed that. Right now, thank god, fashion is women of all shapes and sizes, colors, styles. 

You know, we see so much more diversity in fashion, and so, we don’t glamorize being skinny and as small as possible as we used to. That doesn’t mean it still doesn’t exist, but this is really twofold of, you know, be physically small but also be vocally small, be quiet, be silent, do not speak up, do not cross me. 

So once I started uncovering my own stories and the stories of others, be small is really about you know, for example, I talked to many women that were very frustrated because, you know, at work, they’re told to speak up and ask for what they want, but once they do, they incur this punishment contingency of people don’t like it when women speak up and use their power because it’s a threat to their storyline and it can make people very uncomfortable, and they can threaten an ego immediately and so, what do we do? 

We put a pin in that woman, we nail her feet to the floor and we – whether it’s eyeroll or a snarky remark or a “helpful suggestion” to be less, be quieter at work or pipe down, what we’re really doing is trying to control women’s power and to control a woman’s voice and so, you know, there are tones of being women should be petit and feminine and that’s what femininity is, but I see a shocking systematic oppression when women speak up and ask for what they want or speak up and gets an injustice.

This comes from the belief that a woman’s value lies in being liked at all times. “Well, if I speak up, they won’t like it. If I speak up, I’ll get in trouble. If I use my voice, then this will happen.” And so, this chapter is really saying, “So, what?” right? Does that mean that what you have to say isn’t important or isn’t true or isn’t value or worthy? Stop being small in order to be liked. All it does is keep everyone else comfortable. It does nothing for you.

Benji Block: Stop being small in order to be liked. It’s one thing to say that, right? But to live from that place takes immense courage. Is there some coaching or some ways that we can invite our listeners to be aware when they’re maybe giving in to that be small mentality?

Gianna Biscontini: Absolutely. There are guiding questions that I use in coaching at the end of every chapter, and then there are exercises, and so it’s really building momentum in an intellectual understanding and emotional understanding around each fuck. In this case, be small, and then the chapters end with where did that come from, is this yours? Who rewards you being small, who rewards you being tall and big and proud and loud? 

Our environments are really important for shaping who we become, and so, if we surround ourselves with people who prefer that we stay quiet and small and off to the corner, our behavior is going to follow that if that’s what’s reinforced in our lives. So if you do find yourself coming to that point and saying, “Oh my gosh, I really have been trying to speak up and trying not to be so small for years or maybe even decades, but I haven’t been able to do it,” it’s likely not totally on you. 

We need to look at the people we surround ourselves with because they are so important in shaping who we are and reinforcing or punishing those things, and so there is a lot of mindfulness involved, really noticing first and then you have those “aha moments” of “Oh my gosh, in my relationships I always choose the men who would rather see me small and quiet and girly and sweet but I don’t resonate with that anymore.” 

“I am on fire, I’m fucking 40,” or whatever, you know? I am ready to break out of that box and just smash it to pieces, or conversely, this is not a book about judgment. If your idea of being feminine is being small and you prefer, it makes you happy and fulfilled to be silent and to be quiet and to not speak up, then you know what? Go do that. This isn’t about me telling women how to be women, this is about encouraging varieties of women as we encourage varieties of men. 

Benji Block: You mentioned the questions you asked at the end of each chapter for people to ponder, and I love that. You’d call those sections like consider with curiosity, and that practice of asking those questions and reflecting can just unpack so much of what’s going on internally. I don’t want to move on from this be small with just asking question because clearly, I am interviewing you and I am a man. 

So I don’t want to just jump past this, what’s the best way I can and men can encourage whatever you want to be Gianna and how women can bring their best and if it is loud, if it is different than maybe what the norm has been or how it’s been set in the past, what’s the best way we can come alongside and support? 

Gianna Biscontini: That’s a great question. I think psychological safety is far too underrated. You know, like I said, our environments are really important. You know, I have coached male executives in a large majority. I have coached and worked with men, and so they’ll say, “Look, I want to be a better male boss to my female colleagues and employees. I ask them to speak up and they don’t” right? 

So now it’s on them. Well, take a beat because that woman, sure, you are probably doing a great job saying, “Hey, come talk to me. How is everything going?” and you are trying to create those open doors, but you are kind of flinging that door open and asking her questions and asking her to negate years and decades of social conditioning that’s how sort of be small, right? That woman probably has been carrying a lot of experiences with her where she thoughts she was safe to be herself and the door got slammed in her face, right? 

Or she got punished, and it’s probably no one’s fault, it’s just a social bias that we have, and so for men that are curious who want to help women kind of be smaller and speak up, it is really creating that environment of psychological safety to say, “Tell me about who you are? Tell me about how you…” you know, assuming this isn’t a workplace, “Tell me how you want to show up here? We’re really looking for varieties of people to add to the team.” And sometimes, we have people that speak up, and sometimes we have people who are more passive and more observant, and we’re looking to include it all, right? 

So how do you want to show up here and creating that safe space? It is very intimidating to be sat down by a male boss and have them go, “Well, what do you want? Speak up,” right? It puts you on your feet, it puts you in your heels, and behavior doesn’t work that way. Our environments, like I said, are really important, so you have to think about the environment that the woman has experienced before she got to you that day and so ask the questions if you are comfortable. 

I don’t think there is any reason to not be transparent to say exactly what you just said. Hey, you know, I am trying to educate myself, but I also love to hear from you. Yeah, and so just creating a safe space for that woman to show up however she’s going to show up and letting her know that that is valued and why it’s valued. So many people say, “We value strong women here,” and the woman goes, “Okay, great,” and walks into the office and walks into the boardroom in day one and goes, “Hey, I’ve got a thought,” and everybody is like, “Yeah, sit down,” and moves on, right? 

She is given those messages from the beginning, “We actually didn’t mean that.” And so people will say that they value something that they want a woman to be strong and powerful, but they haven’t checked themselves or their ego or done their own work to be able to receive a woman who isn’t small and who doesn’t want to be small and that shows up. It is very obvious when that happens. 

You Don’t Have to Be Less

Benji Block: I love that question, “How do you want to show up here.” I want to touch on one more here, and it’s one be less, and the reason I want to highlight that one is because of one paragraph in particular so I’ll just going to read your words back to you for a second, but you say, “In every single interview I conducted for this book, the theme of women as less than surfaced, meaning that when it comes to the workplace or society, a story exists that women are not as valuable or important as men.” 

“Even when overt behavior suggests women are heard like when a company publicizes a gender equality stance, the actions that follow typically show that women continue to remain overlooked, not trusted or not taken as seriously as their male counterparts.” We touched on that a little bit in the last, but I feel like there is a deeper level we can go to here when you put it in the context of be less.

Gianna Biscontini: Yes, absolutely. The concept of be less was hard to write about because that was one of the biggest fucks that when I saw it, I couldn’t un-see it, and I was very much a part of that narrative. We use buzzwords like diversity, equity, inclusion, equality, but we are not great at having our behavior follow, and this is extremely disempowering and fatiguing really for women to deal with because once you see how it’s messaged to us that we are just simply less, our ideas are worthless. 

We receive less funding for equally viable business ideas compared to men. You know, I talk about in the book about how the Washington Post article that really infantilized Joe Biden and told her to drop her doctor title because it wasn’t worth it. It is like the man essentially, I won’t mention him by name, the man, the writer essentially says, “You know, you just have a doctor in education. That’s not a doctor. You are not a doctor unless you delivered a baby.” 

I said, “Well, let’s talk about Dr. Phil, who has never delivered a baby. Let’s talk about Simon Sinek, who isn’t a doctor, and let’s talk about Adam Grant, who is a doctor who is amazing but who also has never delivered a baby,” and so that like excuse my language, like small dick energy is never applied to men but it is applied to women of like, “Hey, pipe down over there.” Yeah, you have a doctorate, but it is not as valuable, right? 

Would you say that to a doctor of education who was a male? I find that hard to believe that that would happen, and so you know, just be less is a system of oppression. In the Joe Biden situation, it is a doctor in the Joe Biden situation, it is a form of intellectual oppression, and you see it everywhere. 

Benji Block: So many ways that we see that taking place, and you highlight that story for several pages. It is a really good example, a very public way that this happens. This also happens in a lot of like small, smaller, maybe more unseen ways, right? So what are some of those like smaller moments that aren’t as public where society is kind of going, “Hey, just be less.” There is this kind of accepted tone that we take to make this stance towards women. 

Gianna Biscontini: Sure, yeah, and I would say the message is, you are less. We see it, you know, another example I go over in the book is in healthcare. I talk about how I have endometriosis, and it is extremely painful. It is an extremely painful condition and I have been in relationships where I was crying on the ground writhing in pain and getting sick to my stomach and seeing spots, but when women have healthcare issues, when we’re in pain, it is almost like it’s not as important. 

If women get educated, have those degrees, it is not as important. If women do the same work that a man does, it is less important. It is just, and it is very hard to describe, but I think the women out there can feel me on this emotionally and energetically where we have all been in a room where we have an idea and we think it’s a really good idea and we talk about it and we speak up even if we are heard, right? 

We’ve spoken up, we haven’t been small, we have spoken up, as soon as a couple of minutes later, a man can say the same thing in a different way and everyone pays attention to that person and says “great idea,” but if it comes from a woman it is just not as worthy. 

Benji Block: Yeah, it seems discounted for no reason at all, yeah. 

Gianna Biscontini: Almost to make sure that women don’t get too big for their breaches, you know? But it is that message of you are worth less than a man, plain and simple. 

Benji Block: Well, I have talked a lot here and provided to I am going to give you a chance as we start to wrap up, but highlight one more for us that really stuck out as you were doing this research? 

Gianna Biscontini: Oh gosh, I think be fixed was a big bombshell, a mental bombshell for me, this concept that women are something to be fixed. You look at any magazine, you look at any female leadership training, you look at any relationship book, and it’s all on the woman. It’s all on the woman to fix herself because she is something to be fixed, and women are not something to be fixed. 

We do these female leadership summits to teach women how to essentially, at the end of the day, act more like men. Why is more of the same a good thing, right? We have magazine articles that tell women, “Yes, yes, yes you’re fine just the way you are, but you’ll be even better if you carry this bag and lose five pounds and get this man and use this filter.” It is keeping us in this perpetual state of scarcity. 

I go into fashion research, right? There used to be four seasons, right? You have a winter jacket, winter season. Spring jacket, spring season. There are 52 fashion seasons now, and this idea of fast fashion, new styles come out every week, and they say in the research it is to keep women in a perpetual state of feeling out of fashion, right? “Oh my gosh, what does that mean if I’m out of fashion? I have to fix myself.” 

I have to appear a certain way, and we spend so much time and energy believing that we are something to be fixed. Another story I go into is a female leadership summit that a friend’s company was putting on, and the message was essentially know your value, show your value and grow your value and I said, “Well, this is enraging.” And she said, “What do you mean?” And I said, “Do you intend on getting 50 high potential women together to tell them that the reason that they’re not in leadership positions is because they’re the problem?” 

She was like, “Oh my gosh.” You know, at the end of the day, women are not something to be fixed. The answers do not lie outside of us. We are equipped, creative, powerful, and very capable. We just need everyone else to stop telling us to be different in order to be happy or successful. 

Benji Block: I love how you split this book because you address these 10 fucks that were given, and then in part two, you are going, “Okay, we got to live and stay fuck-free.” And so to me, that would seem to be the challenge is that there are going to be times where you’d feel fuckless, and then there would be other times where that consistency is just like, “Man, it’s rough to not just woe is me kind of situation.” But one of the foundational things and this is where I want to leave this conversation is you talk about your values. 

So for you personally, it was creativity, exploration, authenticity, impact, and trust. How has having those kind of core values allowed you to live into this way of thinking and being fuckless? 

Gianna Biscontini: I came up in leadership and started working in the leadership field and everybody was talking about values, and my immediate reaction was, “Ugh, I am so sick of hearing about values, nobody cares about values, values are stale.” And then I had the opportunity to turn that around once I started working with presidents and executives, and I had a stronger more public voice. 

I thought, “Well, values are extremely important, they are guiding anchors to how we live our life.” So I think the problem with values is that most people say that they value something, but they don’t. 

Benji Block: Yep, it’s virtue signaling. 

Gianna Biscontini: Right, exactly. They want to value something, but they don’t. People I coach will say, “My top value is family.” And I have them do a time allocation assessment to see exactly how much time they spent being a better parent or with their families or with their spouse, and it is very little compared to everything else that they do, and so we have to ask ourselves, “Is my behavior following what I say that I value or is my behavior showing I value something completely different?” 

I did my own values work, I spent years actually focused on values, and I wanted to do it myself before I tried to talking about it, teaching it, and so I came to these values. The first couple of years my values changed, and my values have been the same probably for the last six, seven, eight years, and so because of these values, I spend very little time in indecision or in limbo. If I am meeting with a new client, if I have a project come across my desk, if I go on a date, if I have the opportunity to make a new friend, anything that happens in my life, I run it through these values. 

Can I be authentic with this person? Can I have impact with this project? Can I be exploratory and creative with this person or with this project? If any of those values are violated, it is a hard pass. I don’t spend time going, “Oh, well, maybe I can manipulate it and work it so that I…” no, I don’t do that. It is or it isn’t value-aligned for me, and living that values-based life has been so transformative for me. 

There is just so much else out there that supports who we are and what we want for ourselves and so spending time on things that are not aligned with your values is a waste, right? Time is too precious, and value-based living is all about preserving energy, and I am stingy with my energy. 

Benji Block: As we should be. 

Gianna Biscontini: Right. 

Benji Block: I love the direct line between the definition of what fucks were. I read this at the top, but that fucks are someone else’s stuff because then when you think if fucks are someone else’s stuff, values, these virtues, these things that I am going to hold dear are my stuff like that’s when you talk about not having that indecision and being able to really lean into life, it’s because of that switch, right? 

Where it’s, “Oh, what does someone else think? This isn’t really mine but I am kind of holding it and these are their opinions.” So I love that just kind of correlation and people are really going to see values are really only one section, the first section of part two in the book, but you walk through a number of ways to help continue to shift and live and stay fuck-free. This has been a really fascinating conversation, Gianna. 

Besides checking out the book, where can people continue to stay connected to the work you’re doing and how could they reach out? 

Gianna Biscontini: They can follow me on Instagram @giannabiscontini. If they curious about the in play wellbeing stuff, my company is W3RKWELL, 

Benji Block: Well, thank you for stopping by Author Hour. I’ll say the title one more time so people can find it on Amazon. The book is called, Fuckless: A Guide to Wild Unencumbered Freedom. Gianna, thank you for being here today. 

Gianna Biscontini: Thank you so much for having me.