October 5, 2022

Angels, Herpes and Psychedelics: Beth Bell

Beth Bell spent more than 15 years leading strategic branding in the pharmaceutical industry but along the way, she began listening closely to the world around and within her. Eventually, provoking her to ditch her corporate career and pursue her life’s purpose of pollinating the planet with love.

Now, as a published author, she divulges her unexpected journey of awakening in her new book, Angels, Herpes and Psychedelics. From romantic encounters to toad-venom visions, to angels and blue jeans, Beth’s story exposes how the soul’s true path can get messy, irrational, and even downright dangerous.

Today on Author Hour, I’m joined by Beth Bell. I’m your host, Meghan McCracken.

Alright, Beth, welcome to Author Hour.

Beth Bell: Thank you, I’m super excited to be here.

Meghan McCracken: Thank you for being here. So your book is a little off the beaten path for the types of books that we usually talk about and it’s a memoir. It’s very personal, and I think my first question to you is, what was the moment that made you decide it’s time to tell my story?

Beth Bell: Well you know, I never thought I was going to tell my story in this level of detail because I always wanted to be that person that did the five pearls of wisdom or the three tips — or you know, the wisdom book, right? And I never thought I was going to say about my own life and I was sitting actually one day, the spirit spoke to me so clearly — and I know it was from the spirit because I got the message — “You’re going to write this book, and it’s about the details of your life,” and I said, “Yeah, no.” 

Spirit said, “Yeah, yes,” and so we argued for a little bit, and then the message was really clear: Grab your pencil, which I rarely use, and your white notebook, and I was like, “Okay, this is getting very specific right now, and I need to listen to this.” So I went and grabbed my notebook and before I knew it, an hour had gone by and I outlined the entire book. At the time, it was 12 chapters. Of course, now we’ve ended up with 22. 

So I felt very divinely guided. I dove deep into it and I was incredibly inspired but it was not the type of book that I thought I was going to write.

Meghan McCracken: What type of book did you think you were going to write?

Beth Bell: I thought I was going to write the five pearls of wisdom or the three tips or you know, the book that gave all the wisdom not necessarily my own personal vulnerable, raw examples of my life.

Meghan McCracken: As you began down that path of diving into your own self and your own story, I hear from authors a lot who write memoirs that it tends to kick up a lot of dust, you know, in the bottom of the river and it is a lot of processing that they didn’t expect. How is that experience for you as this really raw, emotional writing was coming out of you?

Beth Bell: Well, it’s a really great question, and I have to say that the process of writing the book wasn’t as much processing as you might think because I spent the entire – from 2005 until now in such a deep journey spiritually and I like to think of this book as an awakening memoir, which is a little bit different because I actually talk about the process that I’ve gone through all these years to process everything that’s happened to me along with new things that continue to happen that I had to really transform. 

So I feel like it’s all about transforming our relationships to love and life, and so, I talk about that throughout the book. As I wrote the book, it felt more of a recap of all the spiritual deep digging and work that I had done. It actually flowed very easily, and I enjoyed writing the book a lot. And of course, there were things that came back and were like, “Oh yeah, okay, well, that was this or that was that or I learned that,” but it wasn’t so much through the process of writing the book as it was the journey that I was on really throughout my entire awakening.

Meghan McCracken: Right in the introduction you say, “This book isn’t for the faint of heart, naysayers, complainers, or people who want to remain victims. It’s for individuals who genuinely want to take responsibility for their lives by shifting the stories and inner dialogue, the mind holds on to so tightly, releasing emotions of heartbreak, shame, guilt, and judgment.”

And that kind of message to a reader, right upfront that we’re going to dive deep, this is not a shallow book. What was the inspiration behind making it so clear to your readers what this book is right off the bat?

Beth Bell: Well, I think if I’m honest, one of the things that was hard for me as I wrote the book was, I just knew there was going to be a lot of potentially trolls and naysayers and people that wanted to make that judgment because I know myself. I would have said years ago, “That would never happen to me” or “I’m smarter than that” or “I wouldn’t get myself into that situation.”

And so I think there was a part of me, as everyone thought, that was still feeling a bit of trepidation about putting so many deep vulnerable details out into the world for everyone to sort of judge, but what I realized is that it’s so important to do that because so many people can still learn from that and so people need to want to really go deep because the journey of awakening is not easy. It’s blissful at times but it’s also incredibly painful. 

So if you’re not ready to really dive deep into your own missteps or the decisions that you made or situations that you got yourself in and really look at it from a personal responsibility and accountability perspective, then the book may not be for you because that’s really what it’s about. It is to help inspire people to really want to do the work, and I think everybody’s doing their work in their own way. 

But this just, the book really encourages people to take it to another level and sometimes that means letting go of relationships. Sometimes that means, letting go of an income source, whether it’s a job or a client or whatever, because sometimes, these people, places, or things are not serving our highest good, and we hang on to them for comfort and security, but when we let go, there’s sort of this beautiful freefall that comes. And that’s where trust really has to come in that you’re following your heart and your soul’s plan as opposed to what you think your plan is.

Meghan McCracken: I love what you said about as you’re doing your work, sometimes it comes to a point where if that work is bumping up against what is expected from others or the other expectations of the people have of you. Sometimes there’s a letting go of relationships, and you write right at the beginning of the book about how your parents question whether publishing it was a good idea. 

Your boyfriend at the time said, “Why can’t you just be normal?” Was there any sense of — I imagine that you don’t fear pushback because of the work that you’ve done, but what kind of consideration and thought has been around the concept of, “Wow, people are going to read this and I might get that pushback, I might get those trolls”?

Beth Bell: Well I mean, I would like to think that I’m bulletproof, but I’m wise enough to know that I’m not. I’m a human and I have a lot of emotion and I care a lot, but I think what I found through the editing of the book actually, when I put it out there to people close to me, some people that I didn’t know and got their reaction so that I could make edits that you know, I was looking at it from my lens. 

When they gave me feedback, I remember those first few bits, and it wasn’t that it was bad feedback, but I just was so triggered by some things and was like, “Oh my God, they think that? Wait, that’s not what it meant.” So I had to come to this beautiful place that took place over a course of many, many months and hearing a lot of different feedback that I just needed to welcome the lens of which people were coming through. 

It’s their lens, and so then I got into this space where I was like, “Oh no, this is actually really fun. I don’t have to take it personally. This is how they see it, and this is how it makes them feel and this is what’s bringing up their stuff.” Once I was able to sort of get beyond that hurdle of taking it so personal and just go, “Yeah, that’s their lens, and that’s where they’re at” and everybody’s at such a different place in their journey when it comes to awakening and the work that they’ve done, no judgments need to be placed, right? 

It’s just like, “Hey, they’re there, and I’m here, and that’s how it hit them, and I just blessed their journey, and whatever my book can do for them to inspire them, I’m just going to let it go.” So yeah, I really just came into this place of welcoming the feedback, welcoming the comments, and also looking at it as an opportunity for learning and teaching. So as people come back with comments, it’s an incredible opportunity to go back out with, “Yeah, okay.” 

I’ll give you an example actually that I saw on a friend’s Facebook page. She was beautiful, sent it out and some random guy, random to me, said, “Oh, looks like looking for love in all the wrong places,” you know? At first, I was kind of like, “Woah, that’s not what it is,” and so I just wrote back from a really heartfelt place and said, “Actually, thank you, but it was looking for love in all the right places, so I could learn all the lessons that I set myself up to learn in this lifetime.”

And then the person wrote back, and they were like, “Oh wow,” you know? It’s like, it shifted the whole conversation, but it was the lens that I was going to place on it. All we can do really is shine the light and show the way, and the more we allow ourselves to be triggered, it’s just an indication that it’s our stuff, right? And that we need to dig deeper into it and just let it go and let it go and let it go. Sometimes, that’s easier said than done, no doubt, but the book has been incredible practice for me to practice everything that I talk about in the book.

Journey to Awakening

Meghan McCracken: Your journey to awakening, it’s the central throughline of this book, and so I would love to just take a moment and get the main touch points of that journey. Give me a broad recap of what were the main stepping stones in the journey that you outline in this book.

Beth Bell: Yeah, it started back in 2005 with an awakening kiss at 30,000 feet and what was so interesting about that was that I wasn’t expecting anything to challenge my marriage, if you will at the time. I had a great life in every respect of it. I had a husband that seemed like a great companion, I had an incredible job, we had an incredible home, and we sort of had it all. Like it was that sort of like white picket fence view of life, and the kiss just woke me up — and I’m going to leave the details for the book.

But the kiss woke me up in a way that I recognized that I was not actually living the life that I wanted to live. It looked like it from the outside for everybody else, but it wasn’t the life that my soul had planned for, and it jolted me to make a lot of really difficult decisions. That was just the beginning of what catapulted me into really following my heart and really following my soul, and really moving my life forward. 

Which eventually led to me taking a, I’d like to call it a self-created sabbatical from work, and then I went back to my corporate life and had some amazing experiences and ended up launching a big brand and being on a global brand team, and all of these things would have been a reason to want to stay actually into corporate life because I really enjoyed what I did and then I got an opportunity.

I said to the universe when I went back to my corporate life that two years, putting myself back out into my purpose, and almost two years to the date, I did get spun out. I guess I wasn’t clear enough with the universe, and I got an opportunity to move to Singapore and with the same company in a similar career move but promotion into covering all of Asia Pacific from a marketing perspective and working with the country and division heads to help with women’s health.

And so that really threw me for a loop because it was right at a time where I thought I was really hunkered into a new home, and everything seemed like it was falling into place, but the universe answered the call, and in two years’ time, I was on a new trajectory moving to Singapore. So I said, “Okay universe, two more years,” and it was not quite two years but pretty close that had another massive shift in my life, which led me to move to India and then ultimately led me to Bali and after I left my corporate life there.

One thing I want to mention is that I know a lot of people leave their corporate life because they feel like their soul’s been sucked, and they’re tired, and they’re exhausted, and that’s not actually why I left. I loved what I did and I had a ton of opportunities ahead. I just knew that it wasn’t my soul’s plan, and while I probably could have made a whole lot more money in my life and I could have been on a really interesting trajectory from a corporate perspective, that wasn’t the most important thing to me.

The most important thing was to live what I came here to do in this lifetime, and so I followed my heart. Sometimes, my heart felt like it led me astray, but it was still all perfect and part of the divine plan. So yeah, India was a complete debacle — and people can read all about that in the chapter of “Sleeping with the Devil” — then going to Bali was also an amazing experience, and I did things that I never thought I was going to do. 

I went there thinking I was going to heal and in the bliss of Bali, which I was, but there was so much more than that brought to me from a deeply spiritual perspective beyond being an entrepreneur and starting a business and having a brick-and-mortar on Monkey Forest Road which, that wasn’t part of my dream as I know it. I never aspired to have a retail store.

So all of those things happened very divinely guided and then it brought me to coming back to the United States and sort of all of this culmination of all these modalities, spiritual modalities that I did. Ubud, Bali is like a Disney world of spirituality, and you could do virtually anything you can think of there, whether it’s breathwork or yoga or family constellation work. I mean, so many different things that I was able to partake in. 

And then coming back to the United States, and it was just a — really a family move. I knew that I could always live internationally and so I really wanted to be close to my family, and I also wanted to come back to my homeland and shine the light and show the way here. It just felt like it was time to come back and bring my wisdom and knowledge here, but I wasn’t, to be honest, a hundred percent sure what that was going to be. 

So I do talk about in the book how I started my show, Pollinate the Planet with Love, I bought a RAM cargo van, had it converted into a mobile recording studio, and I had this big plan about what that was all going to do, and then COVID hit and so that created a whole different situation for me which you know, wasn’t all divine. It didn’t feel like it at the time to sort of have my dream of what I thought I was supposed to be stepping into for my calling sort of come to a screeching halt like it did for many others.

Yeah, and then I had an opportunity to really challenge my judgment against psychedelics. There’s just no possible way in my mind that I would have said that I would ever do psychedelics, nonetheless, talk about them or write a book about them or have a podcast about them. So they’ve really become a true calling to help shift the narrative around psychedelics, and it started really with plant-based medicines because, as people will learn in the book, I actually was called by a friend a flower whisperer. 

I was like, “Oh, wow, that’s interesting,” because one of the ways the universe got me into really meditating because like, meditation was something I knew I needed to do, but I always felt like I can’t get that 15 minutes back, and there’s so much more I could have done. This was way back in my corporate life, and I bought a camera. I went to Hawaii and started photographing flowers, and that just took me into a whole different space. 

It was a place where my mind was quieted, and that really became more accentuated on my spiritual journey, how I was able to tune in to the vibration of the flowers and quiet my mind so much that I was actually able to receive messages. I say messages from the flowers but it really was messages from my higher self.

So that inspiration just led me and kept me going, and the flowers and I have an intense relationship. I had an opportunity to interview on my Pollinating the Planet with Love Show, a gentleman named, Louie Schwartzberg, and he’s a famous timelapse cinematographer who does the slow motion opening videos of flowers, and so I was thrilled to be able to talk to him but he had just launched a documentary on fantastic fungi and he wanted to talk about mushrooms. 

So long story short, we got into the power of plants, and I asked him questions about Ayahuasca and San Pedro, and so that led me into an opportunity that came to me about a ceremony in a very safe and sacred place, and I said, “Wait, of course. If I know the power of plants, flowers, why wouldn’t I partake in this if I know that I’m in the right set and setting?” So I did, and lots of things unfolded right from there. 

Yeah, now I’m on a real mission to help shift that narrative around psychedelics as awakening agents. I would say for me, because I had done so much spiritual work and I had such a strong foundation and I’ve had a lot of experiences that had nothing to do with mind-altering drugs that once I had that opportunity, it just solidified and helped me embody the things that I knew intellectually and the things that I had experienced but in a whole different way.

So that’s really where I felt like I was able to feel into the absolute bliss of divine oneness and that’s also what has prompted me to really be a voice for the plants and the medicine. It’s nothing new. I mean, these plants have been around for centuries and indigenous people have used them for wisdom. Dare I even say that I think there is artwork that shows Jesus with mushrooms in the background of some sort. 

So I am not making any claims of who did what, but they have been around for a long time, and there is wisdom that it gives us access to what really goes beyond what we see here in this third-dimensional world. So I know that was a very long answer, and to your question, it is sort of the whole trajectory across my awakening journey and how I went from, you know, really feeling guided by angels and also the next part of it being herpes and viruses and most importantly the viruses of the mind and then going into psychedelics because a lot of people ask me, “Why the title? It’s such an interesting title.”

The Blooming of Healing

Meghan McCracken: Yeah, the title is definitely an attention-getter. I love it so much, when I first saw it I said, “Well, that’s a book that’s going to sell; Angels, Herpes and Psychedelics. I love that.” I loved hearing your journey there in that overview because as I was reading the book, it comes through so clearly in the language, even in a way that I think maybe you just did naturally as you were writing and was unplanned because in the earlier chapters, the way you speak about yourself it includes about the imagery of disconnect, right? 

You felt like you are watching a movie, you felt there is a core of you that knows there was a different direction, but it doesn’t match what the direction of your life is taking. There is this sense of disconnect and as the book goes through the journey and the chapters get longer and longer, that language really tightens up towards like a deeper connection to self, and it almost feels like the language that you use, the way that you tell the story gets deeper and more personal even as the story continues. 

I think it is just an amazing way of illustrating that greater connection like you said, that access that plant medicine provides, the access to something that is otherwise not easily accessible to us.

Beth Bell: Yeah, and I love the way you frame that because it was maybe one of my most difficult things was going back to those early years and writing from that perspective because I had learned so much that it was sort of yeah, interesting to go back and write it from the naivety that I had at the time. So it’s interesting how you just brought that up. 

Yeah, and the plant-based medicines, you know, one of the things that came to mind as you mentioned that is I was a — and still am — a student of A Course in Miracles, which is an amazing set of teachings that were channeled by an atheist actually and she says that it was Jesus that really guided that journey. So that is all very fascinating and interesting in it of itself, but the concepts in it were always so challenging to really get and embody. 

Just when I thought I actually started to understand them, like I was saying earlier, intellectually, I was like boom, there’s this whole embodiment of a knowing, a sense of knowing. It’s like the feeling and the knowing that you are in love with someone. It is almost unexplainable, you just know it. 

You just feel it, and that’s what plant-based medicines were able to do for me with a lot of the lessons and learnings and insights that I had gained over the years, but it was just to a-whole-nother level. 

Meghan McCracken: As you talked about the world of plant medicines is starting to really – I mean, not to use a pun, but it is starting to really blossom. I know that in the past few years, I have seen more and more authors starting to speak openly about plant-based medicines and medical therapy and these protocols and I am wondering, with your entrance into that conversation with this book, what are you hoping to add and drive forward in that burgeoning and blossoming conversation? 

Beth Bell: Yeah, you know I believe that my pharmaceutical background brings credibility, it brings character, it brings my clinical and scientific and data-driven background to a place that I can now marry it and mix it with my deeply spiritual journey and my expanded state of consciousness to really bring both worlds of science and spirituality together. It was one of the reasons why I, number one, have invested a lot of personal funds into psychedelics. 

There are over 250 psychedelic pharmaceutical companies studying these medicines for a myriad of different conditions, and I have also started a podcast called Psychedelic Sages with a cohost, where we’re looking at these companies from a multidimensional perspective so that we can really help people to understand psychedelics from a little bit different perspective. I feel like I am really marrying all of my life experiences to bring forward an opportunity for people to awaken. 

I am not really going to say that everybody should do psychedelics. I think everyone can learn something from psychedelics, but I think the most important thing is that people have an intention to want to live their soul’s plan and not the plan that they were programmed to think that they should live, and that’s where you really start to come into who you really are as opposed to who you think you should be for other people or who you think you want to be to fit in. 

That’s where the suffering happens because it’s all a trapping of the mind. We want to get beyond the mind and psychedelics just happen to be an incredible opportunity to give you a north star of where you’re headed. So you have this idea of like, “Oh, that’s divine oneness. Okay, now what am I going to do about it?” right? So the other thing that I really like to emphasize is that psychedelics are not going to enlighten you. 

Psychedelics, as I said, give you that north star to know where you’re going, you still have to do the work because when you came in as a soul into this lifetime, you created the plan, and you said, “These are the characters there and come in, this is what they’re going to do. They’re going to hurt me, they’re going to love me, they are going to destroy me, they are going to do all of these different things so that I can awaken.” 

So it’s that journey that’s the most important and however you get there, if it is A Course in Miracles or if it’s big love, if it is disease, if it’s death, whatever people’s journey, it’s very specifically designed by you and for you for your own awakening and when we step into that, we start to really see how important our own inner work is. It is the most important thing that you can do on the planet, is to do your own inner work. 

The reason why is because you can become, I can’t say the actual words because it would be inappropriate here but my spiritual healer, he always made me laugh because I never expected these words out of his mouth but you can become the happiest mother—you can fill-in-the-word— on the planet, and it was like, “Oh my god, is it that easy? Like that’s all we’re here to do?” and he’s like, “Yeah” you know? 

So when we become happy, and we love who we are and what we represent, and we can get beyond all of these trappings of the mind and the thoughts of who we think we are, to be who we really are, then we’re just here is a beacon of light helping to shine the light, show the way. That’s really what the book is intended to be for people as an example of one woman’s journey but hey, you got your own characters and you have your own things, and I hope you can pull some pearls out of the book. 

I hope there are some modalities that will help you. I hope you can get beyond some of the judgments that the societal norms put out there that help keep people in the suffering. Yeah, so that’s really my goal, and I said this at the book launch event, which was beautiful. We had a sound bath and a cacao ceremony to open it. It wasn’t your traditional like, “Come and have a cocktail.” 

It was actually, “Welcome, go have a seat on the cushion,” and we put the intention out there that everybody in the room really put love and intention on the book and on me and the messages behind it for the awakening and healing of humanity. So yeah, I want the book to sell and yeah, I want the book to be successful, but more importantly, I want people to be inspired to wake up and know that there’s an easier way and that there is a flow way. 

It is working with the divine and through the divine that you can get beyond all the suffering. I am not trying to downplay what’s happened in people’s lives because there is some really hard stuff happening in people’s lives, but we really need to learn the lessons from it because if we don’t learn lessons then, unfortunately, there is this mechanism where we just have to keep repeating a lot of the same lessons until we get them and I did. 

People will read in the book, I repeated lessons over and over, and I was frustrated because I knew I was repeating the lessons, but I had to do it, and I had to go through it, and I had to get to that place where I am like, “Okay, no. Got it, don’t need to go back down that road. I don’t want to repeat that lesson.” So it is really about awakening and healing for humanity. At least that’s my intention and my goal with the book. 

Meghan McCracken: I love that and your background, coming to this as someone who you were a star in marketing. You worked on huge branding campaigns, you understand what it is to reach people who want to hear a message. How is that impacting as you are going into the publishing stage where this book is about to launch and you’re going to get it out there, and you are going to make an impact with it, how is that amazing background of experience guiding you in making sure that this book has the impact and reaches the readers that you hope that it does? 

Beth Bell: Well, it actually brings up sort of two ways of looking at it. One way I would say is that it’s made the process incredibly painful. That might sound funny, but the reason why I say that is that I know what it’s like to launch big brands, and I’ve had big budgets, and I’ve had big teams of people, and I had lots of creativity, and I had lots of out of the box thinking and yeah, I am putting together a plan. 

So even launching my book, even though I talk all about stepping into your soul’s plan and not the plan, and when I say the plan, I mean your ego mind, your mind’s plan, your doing plan, right? I like to do, I am a hard worker, I like to do stuff, and I am constantly challenged with being, allowing, letting it flow, and don’t get me wrong, there are still times we have to have discernment. 

We have to have our thumb on the pulse of what is going on. So there are times where I feel like, “You know, if I just knew nothing about marketing, I think this would be a lot easier,” but because I do, sometimes it makes it more of a challenge, but on the flip side of that I would say that my out-of-the box thinking, my big picture thinking, my marketing, you know, all of this creates this incredible opportunity that I can use the skillset again for the awakening and healing of humanity. 

So I’m like so blessed that I actually have all of these skillsets, and I think beyond just the book, one of the things that kept coming up as I was asking people to pre-read the book and give me some feedback was like, “No, we actually want you to tell us what to do” and I’m like, “Well, that kind of isn’t the point. You are the one that’s in control of your plan.” But it did inspire me to write additional assets that are I think really important for people if they are interested in doing the work and one of them is the Awakening and Healing Handbook. 

So what I did was I took every concept that I talked about in the book because I told it in the story in which I experienced it at that time, and I elaborated a little bit more on each of those modalities or concepts or terminology or definitions and of course, they’re all through my lens, everyone needs to do their own work and see how, what source means to them and what the different terminology might mean for them to embody it. 

But I really feel like the Awakening and Healing Handbook provides so much more insight on concepts and things discussed in the book. Then there is also the five pearls of wisdom workbook, which is a little bit more interactive, and it really provides an opportunity for people to reflect a little bit more on where they’re at on their journey and what they want to work on. So, the five pearls of wisdom are trust, intuition, transformation, letting go, and surrender. 

The workbook is focused on those five and asking yourself the questions of, “Where do you think I am with that? Where am I at with trust with myself? Where am I at with trust with others? Where am I at with trust with the divine?” and it kind of gives people a little bit of a guide maybe where they want to start because I do think it can be overwhelming. When you read the book, if you haven’t been doing a lot of spiritual work, you just go, “Oh my god, where do I start?” 

Like, I see that there is so much that I could do or maybe feel like you should do and of course, there are no should’s here, it’s about being inspired, but it’s about taking sometimes our most painful experiences and realizing like how do I transform this experience to love, whether it’s romantic love or family love or whatever and life. The things that are happening to me, the external environment, what are the lessons? 

Give me the lessons, show me the way and help me heal and help me get beyond these storylines that keep me in an idea of myself that aren’t true. 

Meghan McCracken: Amazing. I am 100% confident that the impact of this book is going to be immense. I think this is such an important conversation, and your contribution here is going to be huge. I know that the overall journey is they need to do the work themselves, but I am wondering if there is a key takeaway from your book that you are hoping really drives home with readers, what would that be? 

Beth Bell: Only love is real, everything is an illusion, and the sooner you jump on the bandwagon to really understand that, the happier you’ll be, the more blissful your life will feel, and the bigger impact you’ll have on everyone around you. Even though at times you may feel like they look at you thinking that you’re crazy and off the rails and you don’t make any sense, but everyone is on their own awakening journey, and we’re not here to heal anyone but ourselves and when we do, it is the most blissful thing that could ever happen. 

Meghan McCracken: Beautiful. Beth, I’m so grateful for you being here with me today to talk through your author journey, and besides the book, which is coming out really soon, where else can everyone find you? 

Beth Bell: On YouTube, they can find the Psychedelic Sages Podcast, which I would very much encourage people to check out. As I said, we’re truth busters on there, we talk about companies, we talk about different modalities, we talk about everything I think that you would want to know about psychedelics from a previous pharmaceutical executive, and my cohost is an international attorney. 

We both come from very different backgrounds but very 3D, and so I think people will find that incredibly interesting, and then on Instagram, I am @queenblissb, and that came out of being a flower whisperer for so many years, and also on Facebook, they can find me on Beth Bell Live and yeah, Twitter I guess I’m Queen Bliss B as well, but I don’t post as much there. So those are the avenues that they’ll be able to find the most information about me. 

Meghan McCracken: Excellent. The book is Angels, Herpes and Psychedelics. Beth, thank you so much. 

Beth Bell: Thank you.